Pattaya Gay TV- PGF Interview Jim Lumsden

Regarding the Final Four Days (Nov.29 тАУ Dec.2nd 2009) of the Pattaya Gay Festival we have a special interview with the leading person and founder of PGF (www.pattayagayfestival.com (http://www.pattayagayfestival.com)) with Jim Lumsden from Ambiance Hotel on Pattaya Gay TV.
You will maybe hear some informationтАЩs you never know before.
Very interesting - Have a look www.pattayagaytv.com (http://www.pattayagaytv.com)

[Smiles]

" ... we have a special interview with the leading person... Jim Lumsden ... You will maybe hear some informationтАЩs you never know before ... "
... he's decided to go the 'tone-it-down' route when choosing a shirt for any given evening?
I hope so, as I will be able to leave the Ray Bans in the hotel.

Regarding the Final Four Days (Nov.29 тАУ Dec.2nd 2009) of the Pattaya Gay Festival we have a special interview with the leading person and founder of PGF (http://www.pattayagayfestival.com) with Jim Lumsden from Ambiance Hotel on Pattaya Gay TV.
You will maybe hear some informationтАЩs you never know before.
Very interesting - Have a look http://www.pattayagaytv.com

Perhaps during the interveiw you could ask him about his taste for Indoor BBQ's with fingerless business partners!.....

:hello1:

His face certainly looks as though it has been dangerously close to open flames and started to melt, although maybe it's just a Botox job that has gone badly wrong.

But at least he is still alive and free unlike the other 'ill-fated' partners!

:hello1:

[Bob]

Perhaps during the interveiw you could ask him about his taste for Indoor BBQ's with fingerless business partners!.....


It's not my job or desire to defend Lumsden; on the other hand, I don't make totally baseless comments about him either. Care to back it up with some (any?) evidence? No, I didn't think so.

[bing]

My goodness, do I detect a bit of jealousy. I am surprised Smiles has slipped in a rapier with the bonmot concering the shirts of Jim. I think they are stunning. At more than one of the Charity Dinners I have heard guys admire the neat shirt that Jim is sporting. Actually, it is OK, it keeps me from wanting to shine up the halo that glows around Smiles.

I was always under the impression that Michael Burchall was actually the founder of PGF, since he was the chairman for its first six years and JL was the secretary/deputy.



I don't make totally baseless comments about him either. Care to back it up with some (any?) evidence?

You post totally baseless crap about anything else under the sun which you know nothing about, which you never back up with any evidence when asked to do so, so why should anyone bother to do you the courtesy?

Factually sanook's statement ("But at least he is still alive and free unlike the other 'ill-fated' partners!") is 100% correct - how it is interpreted is a different matter.

For the record:

Pattaya Gay Festival was founded by Jim Lumsden although I was Honorary Chairman for it's first six years. He was the person who got everything going and I was pleased in a small way to lend my support. Had I remained in Thailand I would have been more than happy to continue as Chairman. Whatever your feeling about the personality of Jim, there can be no doubting his tremendous energy over the years in PGF matters; I am sure he would be more than willing to hand over to someone who can show the same enthusiasm and energy to continue the good work of PGF. I doubt there will be any takers.

Regarding some of the other rubbish that has been posted both here and elsewhere over the years about former partners,
you will find an unbiased, factual, account in "Boyztown 1982-2008" obtainable from most Boyztown venues which was written from the perspective of someone who has no axes to grind or unfounded accusations to fling. "Boyztown" is an accurate, historical record of the foundation of Boyztown and PGF and the persons actually involved in the running of the businesses there.

Anyone posting on this should remember that there have been several libel cases which have always gone in favour of Jim Lumsden.

Michael Burchall

Anyone posting on this should remember that there have been several libel cases which have always gone in favour of Jim Lumsden.

I've never heard of a libel case for a post on an Internet forum. It also sounded pompous. Did you scowl while you typed it?

[jimnbkk]

When I tried to down load the PGF Pattaya Gay Festival website, my software detected and removed a trojan. It seems to be an infected website, so if u don't have anti virus software running, don't download it.

I've never heard of a libel case for a post on an Internet forum.Having a limited knowledge of the world is one of the disadvantages of being young, I suppose. Here's a starting point (http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/it&law/c10_main.htm) if you are really interested but I suspect it's more a case of laziness (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=internet+libel+case) and wanting to use libel techniques against other posters yourself.

[Patexpat]

I've never heard of a libel case for a post on an Internet forum. ?

I suggest you wise up very quickly - the libel laws in Thailand are very strong ....

Here's a starting point (http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/it&law/c10_main.htm)

Interesting. I'd think that it would be rather difficult to prove who was behind the keyboard but then again, that hasn't stopped the RIAA from fining grandmothers for their grandchildren downloading music.

The injured party has to be able to afford a lawyer and they probably won't bother unless the offender has enough money to be worth taking--that much is true in all civil cases. That alone precludes most of us from being sued.


I suggest you wise up very quickly - the libel laws in Thailand are very strong ....

Why would I have to 'wise up' when I'm not a hot-head to begin with? The vast majority of people live their lives without needing to know the finer points of law.

[Smiles]

" ... My goodness, do I detect a bit of jealousy. I am surprised Smiles has slipped in a rapier with the bonmot concering the shirts of Jim. I think they are stunning. ... "
You're joking of course.
Bing, I've always admired you ... but now I'm just worried.

The person formerly posting as Beach Bunny believes it is possible to identify a person conclusively based on the IP address they use.

What I find amazing is, all of the critic's of Jim Lumsden, ask yourselves one simple question, how much have I raised for charity? through Jim Lumsden & the pgf, they have raised 27 million baht for people with hiv/aids, so say what you like, but there are many people alive today, and enjoying a good quality of life, who would not be here if it wasn't for the pgf.

Agreed, SG, and I doubt if you would get many contradicting you here. I cannot recall any posts here critical of the PGF over the years in any form - expenditure, accounting, management, etc: all have been highly rated.

Any criticism by association was directed at individuals connected with the PGF either for reasons totally unconnected with the PGF, or because some were considered to be using PGF "fund raisers" as much to raise their own turnover and profit as to benefit any charity, and even that the considerable amount of funds raised were made in spite of those connected with the PGF as much as because of them.

As for the libel cases, it is also worth noting that, as far as I know, none have ever been made against the UK papers printing the various reports and allegations, or in the UK, where the libel laws are very different to those in Thailand.

Michael, while I am not doubting your honesty in the slightest, and with the greatest respect, it would be simply impossible for anyone, let alone a former bar owner, to write an "unbiased" "historical record of the foundation of Boyztown and PGF" if they write about "the persons actually involved in the running of the businesses there" other than to just give a list of dates, addresses, bar names and owners/managers. I have not read your book (I have no interest in Boyztown 2009, let alone 1982-2008), but I presume it contains a little more than that.

[Surfcrest]

When someone posts, their respective post may come from when they are at an Internet Caf├й, or surfing on an unsecured WiFi network.

Clearly though, some posters work from their own connection in which case it would be pretty easy to establish a pattern or to research the IP address to determine the source. For those not so тАЬgeniusтАЭ Bunnies and Dickheads out there who are continually over the line at SGT, continually being banned and most importantly тАЬonlineтАЭ continuallyтАжyou could make the connection fairly conclusively and deny repeat applications for membership to this specific IP address. They may change their connection, creating a new IP addressтАжbut sooner or later doing this would be more of a hassle than itтАЩs worthтАж.forcing the poster to Internet Caf├йтАЩs, open WiFiтАЩs etcтАжgiving us a break from their usual тАЬhere every minute of the dayтАЭ garbage.

ItтАЩs really quite amazing what sort of trail internet use leaves behindтАжthe amount of information you can extract simply from an email. It must sure make it easy for the Police, investigating a crime where the Internet has been used. They of course, could secure access to even more of the information left behind by Internet тАЬjet trailsтАЭ, whereas a hacker or someone with this sort of knowledge could find means of extracting as much if not more information from the same trail.

Do SGT moderators use such tools to manage the membership? Perhaps, to screen out the тАЬspam botsтАЭ but it would be time consuming to manage the Bunnies, Dickheads and the usual trolls that have passed through over the years. Whether itтАЩs a banned poster re-registering, a hydra or a brand new poster destined to be banned, SGT has done a pretty good job in my opinion managing this consistently without denying the legitimate new posters access through this smog.

The best approach to someone pissing in your Corn Flakes is to piss back into his. Judging by what IтАЩve seen over the years, the poster now known as Dickhead is great at dishing it out but sensitive to getting it back. If you look at his track record, this is usually what leads to him being banned again and reincarnating as yet another Dick.

Just for the record though, I do not believe Copper Pheel is the poster formerly known as the Colonel. IтАЩm not seeing the connection with writing styles, unless heтАЩs had an epiphany.

[Surfcrest]

Any idiot can change their IP address in all of five to ten seconds.


And so you are saying, you are one of those idiots?

Let's just say that while you are here ever waking minute of the day, I'm quite often out making tons of money which allows me travel, buy things to make life a little more fun, fuck my brains out....and you, sitting in front of a screen "day in and day out" addicted like a Sunne mafia boy is to Yabba...with very little to contribute..not even here for the "laughs" anymore really....it's really quite sad.

I'm generally only here over my morning coffee (which I just finished - I'm back home now) or while multi-tasking something else I'm doing online. I vanish for days, weeks, months...even years at a time when I'm not in or going to Thailand anytime soon. The main purpose for me is to share information.....that's it.

Its always nice to know though, when I do need to take a leak where your bowl of Corn Flakes is always sitting.

The person formerly posting as Beach Bunny believes it is possible to identify a person conclusively based on the IP address they use.LOL. When did I ever say that?In your opening manifesto which the Mods have now removed you made the comment "I can create a new handle as soon as one is banned, and move to a new IP as quickly as one is blocked." Were you a Catholic schoolboy? - the cadence is that of a psalm. The statement rather implies that you believe you can be identified conclusively from your IP address and banned on that basis, doesn't it? If not, what does it mean? You're not, surely, claiming that what you write is meaningless?

One of the good (??) things about Google is that nothing is ever lost, so although the Mods may believe your original rants have been consigned to the dustbin, Google doesn't. If you search on "Dickhead sawatdee (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Dickhead+sawatdee)" you will find your original post "Good morning, Dickhead" (indeed it is #1 in the Search results). Clicking on the link brings you to SGT which tells you that the page no longer exists. Click on the word "Cached (http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:bJO-YRpzPpkJ:www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/global-forum/good-morning-dickhead-t18775.html+dickhead+sawatdee&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a)" however and there it is in all its glory.

Just for the record though, I do not believe Copper Pheel is the poster formerly known as the Colonel. IтАЩm not seeing the connection with writing styles, unless heтАЩs had an epiphany.Beach Bunny makes that assertion almost daily but has produced no evidence to support it. PeterUK (aka. Meletus) made the same assertion. His evidence was based, apparently, on "I feel it in my waters (http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-Sayings/Question427192.html)".

It is only possible (sometimes) to identify the subscriber of the fixed IP address from which a post emanates. Whether the subscriber himself or herself actually was using the machine at the time in question (as opposed to someone else), though, is a completely different matter.So you got my latest [email=thonglor55@yahoo.com:3azssoup]email[/email:3azssoup] then? (Rhetorical question)

[Brad the Impala]

]In your opening manifesto which the Mods have now removed you made the comment "I can create a new handle as soon as one is banned, and move to a new IP as quickly as one is blocked." Were you a Catholic schoolboy? - the cadence is that of a psalm. The statement rather implies that you believe you can be identified conclusively from your IP address and banned on that basis, doesn't it? If not, what does it mean? You're not, surely, claiming that what you write is meaningless?


Banning or blocking an IP address is very different from identifying the actual person using that address.

[quote="Copper Pheel":2e2ndsri]]In your opening manifesto which the Mods have now removed you made the comment "I can create a new handle as soon as one is banned, and move to a new IP as quickly as one is blocked." Were you a Catholic schoolboy? - the cadence is that of a psalm. The statement rather implies that you believe you can be identified conclusively from your IP address and banned on that basis, doesn't it? If not, what does it mean? You're not, surely, claiming that what you write is meaningless?Banning or blocking an IP address is very different from identifying the actual person using that address.[/quote:2e2ndsri]I couldn't agree more - so what did The Bunny's comment mean?

[PeterUK]

PeterUK (aka. Meletus) made the same assertion. His evidence was based, apparently, on "I feel it in my waters (http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-Sayings/Question427192.html)".


You love the classical allusions, don't you, Copper Pheel/homintern - were you educated at one of the better polytechnics? Since I wouldn't want you to feel like Socrates getting the better of Meletus when cross-examining him, and also for the benefit of posters like Surfcrest who perhaps lack an ear for the 'music' of the written word, here is amplification of a particular point I made the other day. The wonders of the SGF search engine have made it possible to do this research with minimal mental pain in wading through posts by homintern.

Copper Pheel, referring to x in pattaya, 19 November '09: "Let's not forget his proud boast to having been deported from 34 countries in his working life.'

Homintern, 25 January '09: 'Maybe he's hoping to break x in pattaya's record of having been deported from 35 countries.'

Homintern, 31 January '09: '... some of the achievements of posters such as x in pattaya who has been deported from 35 countries.'

Homintern, 2 February '09: '... one of the 35 countries from which, famously, x in pattaya boasts of having been deported.'

You always did like to harp on about things, didn't you, Copper Pheel/homintern? The change from 35 to 34 countries is not significant, probably a simple memory lapse. Much more noteworthy is the constant repetition of the same point, even to the extent of using the same words ('deported' each time, 'boast/s' twice); the number is always expressed numerically, never in words. No one else ever made this rather bizarre point/accusation about x in pattaya at all. Is this specific enough for you or still just a case of 'I feel it in my waters'?

Is this specific enough for you or still just a case of 'I feel it in my waters'?Certainly it's a bizarre case of extreme pedantry. How many angels do dance on the head of a pin, in your opinion? Are you a theologian who specialises in the more arcane reaches of exegesis? I saw a good line and I pinched it - it's known as plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism). I learned the technique, as you say, at Cardiff Polytechnic. As for x in pattaya, he has an extensive file that I have consulted at Interpol. His love of terrorist heartlands such as Pakistan is well known, and now I'm moving into my condo in Pattaya I'll be able to be keeping a closer eye on him.

[Brad the Impala]

Your denials are beginning to be as desparate as Bottoms Up's denials of any relationship with Let Me Throw Up.

When they ban a handle, they also ban the IP address that the handle last posted from. THAT is why one would want to change one's IP address to access the board.Do you have any evidence to support this statement or are you making it up as you go along? - which I always find to be the best way myself. Perhaps the Mods can confirm this?
Your denials are beginning to be as desparate as Bottoms Up's denials of any relationship with Let Me Throw Up.I look forward to you quoting any denial from me of anything. PeterUK made an assertion, I countered with an alternative explanation. Denials are pointless when people have closed minds. (I'm hoping this will bring forth the sort of long-winded tripe at which you excel in your on-going stoush with Gone Fisting).

[PeterUK]

I saw a good line and I pinched it - it's known as plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism).

:laughing3: No, it's known as 'clutching at straws'. You must have come across plenty of examples of this tendency when interviewing criminals and evidently it has rubbed off on you. Just admit it, I've got you bang to rights (as you coppers like to say). Accept your punishment like a man - permanent banishment to the Posting Guidelines forum.

[Brad the Impala]

[quote=Dickhead]When they ban a handle, they also ban the IP address that the handle last posted from. THAT is why one would want to change one's IP address to access the board.Do you have any evidence to support this statement or are you making it up as you go along? - which I always find to be the best way myself. Perhaps the Mods can confirm this?
Your denials are beginning to be as desparate as Bottoms Up's denials of any relationship with Let Me Throw Up.I look forward to you quoting any denial from me of anything. PeterUK made an assertion, I countered with an alternative explanation. Denials are pointless when people have closed minds. (I'm hoping this will bring forth the sort of long-winded tripe at which you excel in your on-going stoush with Gone Fisting).[/quote:1vqzvltr]

So you confirm that you previously posted as Homintern? (break it gently for Smiles' benefit)

[Smiles]

" ... Just admit it, I've got you bang to rights ...
" ... So you confirm that you previously posted as Homintern? (break it gently for Smiles' benefit) ... "
To coin a Smilie: :laughing3:

I stay the course ~ a barren road indeed on this particular controversy, lined up against two friends of mine beside whom I've been posting on these message boards since time immemorial and with whom I invariably fully agree with, or at least am more often than not, in synch with ~ and insist that Homintern is dead and buried(?) these last eleven months.

You guys remind me of the shop keeper who kept insisting that the parrot was in fact alive against all the eyeball rolling of Mr John Cleese (representing a lonely Galileo opposite the True Church and assorted Flat and/or static Earthers).
Barking up the wrong tree never looked so unflattering.

Homintern/The Colonel is a deceased poster ... a dead duck poster ... a passed away poster ... a left-the-surly-bonds poster ... a ghostly Loved One poster ... a poster who's kicked the bucket ... a crucified-but-not-risen poster ... a fare-thee-well poster ... a poster who lives with the fishes ... a thoroughly croaked poster.


PS ... this off-topic turn of events has conveniently let Mr Lumsden off the hook for his sartorial crimes against nature, and everyone else from massive litigation. Good going boys. :headbang:

everyone else from massive litigation. Good going boys. :headbang:

Such a relief, too. I need that roll of quarters for laundry.

[Bob]

Homintern/The Colonel is a deceased poster ... a dead duck poster ... a passed away poster ... a left-the-surly-bonds poster ... a ghostly Loved One poster ... a poster who's kicked the bucket ... a crucified-but-not-risen poster ... a fare-thee-well poster ... a poster who lives with the fishes ... a thoroughly croaked poster.



I take it, then, that he's not feeling well? :sharm:

[lonelywombat]

Homintern/The Colonel is a deceased poster ... a dead duck poster ... a passed away poster ... a left-the-surly-bonds poster ... a ghostly Loved One poster ... a poster who's kicked the bucket ... a crucified-but-not-risen poster ... a fare-thee-well poster ... a poster who lives with the fishes ... a thoroughly croaked poster.



I take it, then, that he's not feeling well? :sharm:


Now who are you referring to. the poor boy who willed his estate before he died, or to the man who was found with cigarettes in his baggage and now is in jail. Unlike you to be so sloppy in your postings.

[Bob]

Homintern/The Colonel is a deceased poster ... a dead duck poster ... a passed away poster ... a left-the-surly-bonds poster ... a ghostly Loved One poster ... a poster who's kicked the bucket ... a crucified-but-not-risen poster ... a fare-thee-well poster ... a poster who lives with the fishes ... a thoroughly croaked poster.



I take it, then, that he's not feeling well? :sharm:


Now who are you referring to. the poor boy who willed his estate before he died, or to the man who was found with cigarettes in his baggage and now is in jail.

I was referring, of course (as even a blind man could see), to the person/poster/mythical creature mentioned at the beginning of the sentence.

You refer to two other individuals but I'm not sure why. Do you actually have any credible information to share? (I won't hold my breath)

[TrongpaiExpat]

Bob, He (LW) is an old confused man, be nice. Someday you may be the same.

Back on the off-topic, who here besides Smiles is gullible enough to have bought the death of Homi?

Agreed, SG, and I doubt if you would get many contradicting you here. I cannot recall any posts here critical of the PGF over the years in any form - expenditure, accounting, management, etc: all have been highly rated.

Any criticism by association was directed at individuals connected with the PGF either for reasons totally unconnected with the PGF, or because some were considered to be using PGF "fund raisers" as much to raise their own turnover and profit as to benefit any charity, and even that the considerable amount of funds raised were made in spite of those connected with the PGF as much as because of them.

As for the libel cases, it is also worth noting that, as far as I know, none have ever been made against the UK papers printing the various reports and allegations, or in the UK, where the libel laws are very different to those in Thailand.

Michael, while I am not doubting your honesty in the slightest, and with the greatest respect, it would be simply impossible for anyone, let alone a former bar owner, to write an "unbiased" "historical record of the foundation of Boyztown and PGF" if they write about "the persons actually involved in the running of the businesses there" other than to just give a list of dates, addresses, bar names and owners/managers. I have not read your book (I have no interest in Boyztown 2009, let alone 1982-2008), but I presume it contains a little more than that.

If you have no interest in Boyztown, why are you bothering to post a response in relation to it?

If you have no interest in Boyztown, why are you bothering to post a response in relation to it?

He's very concerned about the integrity of gay history texts, I guess.

[TrongpaiExpat]

We have recently successfully expunged a trouble maker member who had no less than five aliases on this board and it was a major chore to finally get him fully banned. At first glance,
Jackklipton

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/posting-guidelines/getting-along-with-eachother-t18798.html

We? What?


fit exactly the pattern that LMTU/Beach Bunny/Dickhead/bkkguy/DreadedNed

All them?

As I have demonstrated, it is not possible for anyone to ever be "fully banned". Cannot be done.My hero!

[Beachlover]

When did Beach Bunny get banned? What did he do?

When did Beach Bunny get banned? What did he do?

jinks must have thrown his bottle out of his cot! B.B. could be very blunt and sometimes dam right rude, but what the hell, that's what forums are all about.................

:hello1:

well-known and highly-touted real estate development

From everything I've read about Thai real-estate, I think it'd be safer to take money to a casino. I would rent there, regardless of how much I had in the bank.

.... I have not read your book (I have no interest in Boyztown 2009, let alone 1982-2008).....

If you have no interest in Boyztown, why are you bothering to post a response in relation to it?

Because neither the thread nor the post I am referring to relate to "Boyztown", but they refer to one specific individual.

[catawampuscat]

I appreciate the board (forum) historians who take the time and effort to sort out the mysteries
of this place.
I do think PeterUK is strechting a bit with his theory about the colonel and agree with our esteemed veteran poster Smiles that he is indeed gone but not forgotten.

The court of public opinion will continue to condemn some well known personalites no matter
what and the truth may never be known for sure. As long as it isn't a crime to have face lifts
and cosmetic surgery or wear flamboyant clothing, it just seems bitchy and nasty to lambast
JL, especially with the complete lack of fashion and taste exhibited by so many of our members.
Think 40 y.o. mini denim short pants and sleeveless shirts exposing bear hair shoulders or
the infamous sandals and socks look.

I recall one punter commenting on another farang's recent face lift and asking if he could
get his money back.
Another comment, this time from a Thai guy, went like this.. why he do that, he old already?
The Thai could understand a young man improving his appearance but why someone, who was
well past it, would bother and spent the money was beyond him.

Vanity is just part of being a gay man and looking thru rose coloured glasses in the mirror
and seeing good looks when others just see an old fart trying to look younger but in vain.. :glasses7:

[Smiles]

" ... I do think PeterUK is strechting a bit with his theory about the colonel and agree with our esteemed veteran poster Smiles that he is indeed gone but not forgotten ... "
Good christ ... a supporter, a friend, a believer ... a sane man on this Board of conspiracy-addicted nut cases.
Thank god for pussies. :alc: