Jomtien Update

[Surfcrest]

Jomtien Update

I've been away from Jomtien for a few years through the noise of building View Talay 7. If you want to know about that new monstrosity you can check out the View Talay 7 post which has been thankfully locked up after it got out of hand (as many post do here now for some reason тАУ if they aren't hijacked).

First of all, they are widening Thayapraya Road to 4 lanes and so its a mess heading out to Jomtien especially if its rained any (As it did ferociously Sunday afternoon). Today (Monday) was a beautiful day and so there was a good crowd at the beach. The yellow chairs was about 60% full, Ritt's 40 тАУ 50% full and the blue chairs perhaps 40% full at best, not counting the beach boys. The tide was quite high all day with just a sliver of beach between where the chairs start and the shoreline...it didn't go down much all day.

The beach sure has changed over the years. With the new developments in the area there are quite a lot of straight couples / groups moving in and more and more Russians each year. I imagine this is good for business, especially when there may not be enough real fags to fill up the chairs in the gay sections. The number of тАЬhawkersтАЭ is incredible. I couldn't believe the number of boys selling hard core DVD's, probably much to the dislike of the straight crowd. The number of massage boys is way out of proportion with the clientele. Again, in a тАЬbuyer's marketтАЭ this sort of thing has it's advantages with the price of a тАЬgood beach massageтАЭ holding at 300 baht and a тАЬgoodтАЭ manicure / pedicure from 250 to 300 baht as well.

I've always loved the Jomtien sunsets, but now if I want to see one I'm forced to stay down on the beach. View Talay 7 blocks the whole thing out and I'm almost at the top floor of Jomtien Complex. They are now building yet another 7 тАУ 8 story development beach side next to Talay 7 and so this should pretty much block out what little view remains for those of us in Tower A. On a high note, they are in the finishing phase of Talay 7 and they have done a nice job with it all, especially the improvement with the grounds. It's nice to see Antz restaurant downstairs and in the neighborhood. There was a good crowd there last night and I'll probably give it a try tonight. I'm not sure why тАЬSpiceтАЭ is advertising it to be in View Talay 1...a little like salt in an old wound.

After touring the rest of Jomtien Complex behind my building last night I'm not really noticing much of a difference down there. Sure, some of the businesses have changed names etc...but it still looks like a slum. The exception though is тАЬThe VenueтАЭ (although I haven't been to the show yet) they really should be congratulated for fixing that little corner up so nicely.

Now that the weather seems to be picking up I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more down at the beach over the coming months.

I couldn't believe the number of boys selling hard core DVD's, probably much to the dislike of the straight crowd.

Heterosexuals enjoy porn less than homosexuals? Interesting thesis.

I was braced for all of the hawkers on the beach but trying to read while down there is bordering on pointless. Either you chat with your fellows or you sleep...there are just too many distractions. I found a massage guy that I liked (named T) and he charges 250 although I normally paid him 260. I will definitely miss the manicures/pedicures...was the first time that I had one. I'm planning to show up in Thailand in need of a haircut and with long nails next time...my first stop will be at a salon...so much cheaper there.

[TrongpaiExpat]

First of all, they are widening Thayapraya Road to 4 lanes and so its a mess

That's been going on for a year or more.

I was in Pattaya for the day a few days ago and can't say it was a nice trip. Traffic was horrible in Pattaya to and from Pattaya was slow. We went to Ko Larn and the water was filthy, food wrappers, trash and brown stuff floating in the water. The beach and side walk had trash laying about. What happen to Ko Larn? It used to be clean.

The boat back was full of loud Russians who would not listen to the Thai boat crew and insisted in hanging over the back of the boat. The Thai guy kept telling them to get inside, they ignored him.

We did not have much time and wanted to hire a speed boat rather than take the 20B slow ferry. The guy wanted 3000B to take 7 of us to Ko Larn. The BF talked him down to 2,500 he would not go lower, we took the 20B ferry instead. When did these boats get so expensive?

brown stuff floating in the water

I think the technical word is poo.

We went to Ko Larn and the water was filthy, food wrappers, trash and brown stuff floating in the water. The beach and side walk had trash laying about. What happen to Ko Larn? It used to be clean.

Perhaps it was just the beach that you went to (the island has a few to choose from)? The water looked clear and the beach was clear when I went, on the 30th.


The boat back was full of loud Russians who would not listen to the Thai boat crew and insisted in hanging over the back of the boat.

I saw quite a few Russians on the beach but they weren't misbehaving. I must say that they were the only physically fit white folks within view.


The BF talked him down to 2,500 he would not go lower, we took the 20B ferry instead. When did these boats get so expensive?

How much were they the last time that you went? The guy that I was with said we could go to a more remote island but it was around 5k baht via speed boat. I passed on that. The ferry to Koh Larn was 40 baht/person each way when we went.

Indeed the beach and shoreline is so small nowadays. I remember the Thai guys playing volleyball on the beach
with full width of volley net and enough space to run around. Did the chairs double in numbers or is the beach
simply .....gone?? I even noticed some Russian hustlers on the beach...also offering service from a/z. I found
it hilarious especially 1 Russian guy that moves along the shore side...killer body...nice face and walking like
a girl. It seems that they have direct flights from Russia to Pattaya airport in old and dirty Russian planes....
and tickets very cheap. Believe me....looking at Spain, Turkey and other European holiday detsinations....
Ruissians are NOT happy campers....they are loud, not polite and very agressive....hope the best for Pattaya
but it seems the Russians love it there....well I am not surprised by the way...LOL

[jvt22222]

Just a clarification re your comment about ANTZ in reference to View Talay #1 .... If you read the line in the latest edition of SPICE .... it says ....."ANTZ #1 View Talay 1A, same menu" ..... meaning that the original ANTZ (#1) ...... is in View Talay 1A with the same menu as the newer ANTZ in Jomtien Complex.

[Surfcrest]

Heterosexuals enjoy porn less than homosexuals? Interesting thesis.

No, silly wabbit...was speaking more about hard core gay porn, but to each their own I guess.

So just an added update to my Jomtien Update:

I ate at Antz, located in the bases of Jomtien Complex's Tower A.

I had hoped, with the very reasonable prices posted outside and a good crowd inside that Antz was going to be a good choice.

This, unfortunately did not prove to be the case. With a fair number of dishes under 100 Baht, we were a little surprised to see that they had a little live entertainment. This was essentially a guy singing and playing on his keyboard along with a karaoke program from his laptop. I give the guy top marks for trying so hard, but there were quite a few notes out of place.

The next disappointment was the service. There were two waitresses working last night, we happened to get the rather unfriendly one that couldn't communicate very well. The other sounded quite cheery with the few customers she was looking after, including us when ours got too busy (we were her only table).

The food was the big disappointment though. I find it difficult to believe that in Thailand they can't find someone to cook decent Thai food. I've had bar boys cook me dinner that was so much, much better than this. I think if you are going to put a good restaurant business together, you had better build it around an excellent cook / chef. Once you have one you had better hold on to him / her or replace them with someone of equal or better ability.

Look at OH-AH-HARN-THAI on South Road near Day & Night, probably one of the best Thai restaurants going on the planet (no exaggeration). Not only have they kept the best chef, they have built upon that with highly competent assistants for her. In a family run environment where not only are they putting together a book (menu) full of great dishes with surprisingly few ingredients (what you see as you walk in, is what they have) they are having fun in the process and sharing this with their customers.

This, in my opinion is one of the secrets to their success and why other restaurant businesses like Antz and now O..Ho..Thai (Sathorn / Bangkok) are destined not to succeed.

Thanks for the clarification jvt22222

Ah, hardcore GAY porn.

But that's not what you said, is it?

[cdnmatt]

Is it just me, or does it seem somewhat absurd when someone travels to a foreign country on the other side of the world, then complains because their $3 meal wasn't up to their standards, and the waitress wasn't friendly enough for their liking?

Especially when you're coming from Vancouver, where it costs $5 just to ride the bus, or get a hot dog off one of the carts on a street corner. And trust me, those hot dog vendors don't smile too much.

[Patexpat]

I tend to agree with cdnmatt - if I can't be bothered cooking at home and want something quick and easy, then we eat at Antz - or other similar places. Cheap and cheerful - and yes, I always get lots of smiles from the staff there. And GREAT meatballs in mushroom sauce BTW! However if I want a better/different quality of meal then I eat elsewhere and pay correspondingly more .. which can be from a couple of hundred baht more to several thousand .... but for the price I have no complaints about Antz.... and here's a tip .. smile at the staff and see what reaction you get!

Is it just me, or does it seem somewhat absurd when someone travels to a foreign country on the other side of the world, then complains because their $3 meal wasn't up to their standards, and the waitress wasn't friendly enough for their liking?It's just you. Good service is irrelevant to the cost of the meal or the location, and the fact that the average price of such a meal is $3 at your destination and $10 or more in your home country is equally irrelevant, since the costs of the meal also vary significantly, the cost of labour and rent being a major difference. You also appear to have discounted the cost to you of travel to a "foreign" country "on the other side of the world" and indeed are there any (to you) non foreign countries on the other side of the world and if so which ones are they?

[Surfcrest]

Is it just me, or does it seem somewhat absurd when someone travels to a foreign country on the other side of the world, then complains because their $3 meal wasn't up to their standards, and the waitress wasn't friendly enough for their liking?

Especially when you're coming from Vancouver, where it costs $5 just to ride the bus, or get a hot dog off one of the carts on a street corner. And trust me, those hot dog vendors don't smile too much.

I think Copper Pheel has it spot on for you cdnmatt, for me this is about a business perspective and what good businesses can do to stay in business. As mentioned in the Sunee Update post that got hijacked into some discussion about someone's Thai boyfriend (which I find absurd), businesses open and close quickly in Thailand and I was alluding to some of the possible reasons why that may be happening.

I'm not much of a bus user back home, but judging from the $5 quote you gave you must be traveling from that slum us Vancouver fags love to hate called Surrey where eating from hot dog stands is considered dining out. By the way, the Japanese dog stand at Burrard & Smithe is amazing...including the free smiles.

But....back to Jomtien


Tuesday was another beautiful day down at the beach, only a few clouds in the late afternoon. There was noticeably more farangs and Thais down at the beach with few straights or Russians. I took a walk along the beach toward the 7-11 and found a lot of Russians down at the White chairs. It was easy to see where a lot of the garbage in the ocean is originating from...especially close to the boats / jet skis.

Today, for some reason the Green Chairs were packed and the Yellow chairs next door only half full. Ritt's Orange section was doing pretty good with a smaller turnout next door in the Blue chair section.

Mlonker, try bringing an iPod with you to avoid the endless distraction from the тАЬhawkersтАЭ if you care to read.

Stopped in to Bondi Beach for breakfast yesterday and the Sugar Palm today. Bondi really put together some great bacon, but the tables are a bit small for all the condiments. The Sugar Palm was even better, their Eggs Benedict is still quite good with re-fillable non-instant coffee.

Lots of new very white skin down at the beach today and so can only guess that things are picking up. Off to Boyztown tonight!

Is it just me, or does it seem somewhat absurd when someone travels to a foreign country on the other side of the world, then complains because their $3 meal wasn't up to their standards, and the waitress wasn't friendly enough for their liking?

If a restaurant isn't good relative to other restaurants in the area then it isn't good...and I don't see a problem with someone pointing that out. Going to a place that costs more per dish doesn't always get you better food, either, so in my mind reviews are necessary.

I don't think that making comparisons between restaurants in Thailand vs at home are fair, either. My airfare is well over $1k round-trip and I simply wouldn't leave home if some of the "free" pluses in Thailand didn't exist (better service, things being less expensive once I arrived, etc). I'd go to Mexico or Hawaii instead.

Remember what the have had to endour!

LOL.

[cdnmatt]

for me this is about a business perspective and what good businesses can do to stay in business.

Yeah, maybe I was a little out of line, so I'll apologize for that. Really though, in my mind at least, complaining about an 80 baht meal is almost the equivalent in Canada of complaining because the 15yo kid at McDonalds didn't smile enough, and the Big Mac sauce was a little too tangy for your liking. It just seems kind of stupid. And I could be wrong, but I doubt the owner of Antz is hoping to become a millionaire off his restaurant(s). Not to mention, there's a good chance that obtaining the maximum efficiency and productivity out of his business is pretty low on his list of priorities in life.


I'm not much of a bus user back home, but judging from the $5 quote you gave you must be traveling from that slum us Vancouver fags love to hate called Surrey where eating from hot dog stands is considered dining out.

Actually, it was generally to/from my condo on W Georgia and Bute, down to Ladner to visit my grandpa, aunt and her three kids. Thanks for the implication though, dick. :-)


By the way, the Japanese dog stand at Burrard & Smithe is amazing...including the free smiles.

The one in-front of the wine store, across the street from IGA? Yeah, I know, don't remind me. It's been about a year, and my mom still won't shut up about it. I think she might make a trip all the way to Vancouver just for a hot dog.

I think the technical word is not good.It may be trouble for someone who don't know much about it. :alc:

[jimnbkk]

The Russians you see here are poorly behaved indeed but they are noveau rich give them a few years they will they will learn some manners........Remember what the have had to endour!


He might as well have added "...aka LMTU...."

[Surfcrest]

Actually, it was generally to/from my condo on W Georgia and Bute, down to Ladner to visit my grandpa, aunt and her three kids. Thanks for the implication though, dick. :-)

Then we really aren't talking about the price of riding a bus in VANCOUVER now are we?
Nor are we talking about 85 baht at Antz...unless it's one dish, nor drink and no fries with that Big Mac.

I found a massage guy that I liked (named T) and he charges 250 although I normally paid him 260.

Those big tips make all the difference .....

Those big tips make all the difference .....

I don't like to carry coins and 50's aren't given very often as change. It seems that the Thai have a habit of pricing things in increments of 20 (at restaurants, etc).

The jabs regarding big tippers are passe, I'd expect something more original from you.

[cdnmatt]

Then we really aren't talking about the price of riding a bus in VANCOUVER now are we?

Yes, we are. If I step on a City of Vancouver bus in downtown Vancouver, the driver will tell me I owe him $5. That means a bus in Vancouver can cost $5.

What you're doing is the same as how some people proudly proclaim, "I don't live in Pattaya, that place is a shithole. I live in Jomtien!".

I found a massage guy that I liked (named T) and he charges 250 although I normally paid him 260.

10 Baht, can you really afford that in the present world downturn? Whether you think it is a good tip or not you will be amazed at the speed that word spreads about the 'Sticky Falang' amongst the Thai workers...........

:hello1:

The Russians you see here are poorly behaved indeed but they are noveau rich give them a few years they will they will learn some manners........Remember what they have had to endour!

I wonder who this really is...............any guesses anyone?

:hello1:

[Brad the Impala]

Those big tips make all the difference .....

The jabs regarding big tippers are passe, I'd expect something more original from you.

Really! From Gone Fishing! You are definitely an optimist.

Whether you think it is a good tip or not you will be amazed at the speed that word spreads about the 'Sticky Falang' amongst the Thai workers...........

I've never felt a need to tip anyone that is self employed. They set their own rates, so what's the point? Would you "tip" a doctor or lawyer or accountant? I don't think so.

FYI, this guy waited for me to show up at my chair EVERY morning that week. Not exactly the sign of someone annoyed that I paid him merely 10 baht more than he asked for, eh?

If I thought that being cheap would keep some of the walking vendors away then I would have short-changed the asshole that painted one of those fake tatoos on me and then insisted that I pay him 300 baht for it (I hadn't asked for it).

I've never felt a need to tip anyone that is self employed. They set their own rates, so what's the point? Would you "tip" a doctor or lawyer or accountant? I don't think so.

FYI, this guy waited for me to show up at my chair EVERY morning that week. Not exactly the sign of someone annoyed that I paid him merely 10 baht more than he asked for, eh?

If I thought that being cheap would keep some of the walking vendors away then I would have short-changed the asshole that painted one of those fake tatoos on me and then insisted that I pay him 300 baht for it (I hadn't asked for it).

You sound like an experienced visitor to these shores so good luck with many more.......

:hello1:

[Surfcrest]

I've never felt a need to tip anyone that is self employed. They set their own rates, so what's the point? Would you "tip" a doctor or lawyer or accountant? I don't think so.

FYI, this guy waited for me to show up at my chair EVERY morning that week. Not exactly the sign of someone annoyed that I paid him merely 10 baht more than he asked for, eh?

I agree 100%, they set their own price for a service....using their services on a repeat basis is a tip enough...especially for a massage.

I've never felt a need to tip anyone that is self employed.

You sound like an experienced visitor to these shores .......

Appearances here are often deceptive, sanook!

Appearances here are often deceptive, sanook!

So true. Someone might guess from your avatar that you're a handsome, young man.

I assumed that sanook was being facetious, anyway. lol.

[Brad the Impala]

The Russians you see here are poorly behaved indeed but they are noveau rich give them a few years they will they will learn some manners........Remember what the have had to endour!


He might as well have added "...aka LMTU...."


Jimnbkk...Did your obsession with LMTU begin before or after your prostrate operation?

Why? Is LM working as a prostrate(sic) surgeon now?

Appearances here are often deceptive, sanook!

So true. Someone might guess from your avatar that you're a handsome, young man.

Well they would be wrong on at least one count - although, like all things here, its all comparative!

:8(

Shortest post on record from LMTU........

:hello1:

[Surfcrest]

The weather continues to be sunny and hot down at Dong Tan beach. We had a few days where the clouds moved in around 2PM (you could almost set your watch to it), followed by some great afternoon sun. Each day there are more and more people. On Friday some of the sections were close to being full especially in the late afternoon. The amount of beach space has been growing with each day and there was alittle volleyball back on the beach around 4PM. It's nothing like the days with low tide, but it is getting better.

I enjoyed breakfast yesterday down at Tui's and for the most part was happy with the choice. I wish they would switch to brewed coffee from instant. The service was pretty good, the washrooms very clean (as an alternative to the skank public toiled a few meters` away on the beach).

I've gone back to the Sea Falcon, beside the Sugar Palm Hotel. Being able to enjoy a brewed coffee is a big draw and judging from the number of repeat customers....others agree. The restaurant is under the trees with a bit of growth next to the Hotel and in the back. This brings the odd bugs in, falling from the trees above or buzzing in from the plants. Another option is to sit inside, for the same price.

Will be checking out more of the Jomtien Complex establishments tonight, so hopefully more to add soon!

[Surfcrest]

You know, it really makes me wonder when I see the тАЬcheap charliesтАЭ down at the beach...barely paying the few baht for the rent of the chair their ass is glued to all day. The same one's that bring their own drinks and sometimes their own food with them.

The only reason there is such a beach like this is economics. By supply and demand, the folks that get up at 3AM everyday to come down to the beach and set up these chairs and umbrellas, clean and rake the beach for us, cut the fruit...coconuts...all the other ingredients that make up the drinks and shakes that are expected to be in our hands within minutes of our orders. It doesn't matter what color chair group you sit in, Green, Orange, Yellow or Blue...the boys all work quite hard to create an environment for us that makes us all feel well looked after...whatever our tastes may be. So many of us (myself not included) don't even bother to tip and rather argue over a few baht when we forget about the drink we may or may not have ordered.

With the Red Shirt / Yellow shirt fiasco that really pulled hard on the number of tourists coming in and the less than perfect weather that is indicative of May тАУ October...many of these small business operators and their faithful employees are trying hard to recover from the months of losses they've suffered. This doesn't even take into consideration the global economic downturn that has affected the flow of tourists and indeed gay tourists coming to Thailand and spending some time on the beach.

I can tell you that something like this, with hot and cold running boys and a society tolerant (to a certain extent) with the gay beach environment that exists on Dong Tan beach doesn't occur like this anyplace on the planet I'm familiar with. A similar system exists down in Puerto Vallarta Mexico but not тАЬexactlyтАЭ like this and certainly not with the same value. I rent a chair down at the public beach in Cancun and I can tell you the basic rent is $15 - $20 a day for a chair with an umbrella on a beach too rough and rocky to swim in. So I truly appreciate what we have down on the gay beach in Pattaya, the manicures, massages, the fruit, great weather and fabulous company. I've been coming here for 20 years now and the last thing I would like to see is for it to come to an end because the operators can't make enough money to make it worthwhile.

Having said all of this, yes there is concerns about the garbage on the beach and floating in the water. Clearly there is an opportunity to address this and to eliminate, if not reduce the crutch that isn't helping Pattaya's appeal internationally as an appealing beach destination. The factors that draw tourists and indeed gay tourists to Pattaya are a fragile balance we would be best to preserve.

[x in pattaya]

Those big tips make all the difference .....

I don't like to carry coins and 50's aren't given very often as change. It seems that the Thai have a habit of pricing things in increments of 20 (at restaurants, etc).

The jabs regarding big tippers are passe, I'd expect something more original from you.


Well, to be fair to those who commented, had you simply said that he charges you B250 or if you just said you paid B260, you wouldn't have invited the jabs. We all operate within the constraints of some sort of budget, but if you feel the need to draw attention to the 10 baht difference, it does seem a trifle petty and invites critical comment.

The guy may very well be eagerly waiting by your chair every morning, but that might say more about his desperation than your generosity.

It's akin to the guys who make a big deal about the distinction between one gogo bar that charges B110 per drink and another that charges B120. Making that the deciding factor as to which bar someone would want to visit is absurd. Commenting on such things here at the Fight Club and not expecting to be pummeled implies an unbelievable na├пvet├й.

Surely by now you know that name-calling, troll-labeling and general character assassination are the stuff and substance of SGT, so if you drop even the tiniest bit of meat, the hyenas will begin circling.

Surely by now you know that name-calling, troll-labeling and general character assassination are the stuff and substance of SGT, so if you drop even the tiniest bit of meat, the hyenas will begin circling.From the person once described as "the most despicable person posting on SGT".

It doesn't matter what color chair group you sit in, Green, Orange, Yellow or Blue...the boys all work quite hard to create an environment for us that makes us all feel well looked after.

I spent much of my week hanging out with the blue chair crew, so I can attest to some of what you said. The managers of the area show up at 5a to set up (staff at 9-10). Staff leave around 6.30p and the others are tearing down until 8 or so.

70 baht for a Singha isn't much compared to bar prices. I'm not sure what busier seasons are like but they sure weren't getting rich in October. Those that go with farang obviously find it a great job to meet customers at...and there's always a whale (in more ways than one) buying the guys drinks, etc. down there.


Commenting on such things here at the Fight Club and not expecting to be pummeled implies an unbelievable na├пvet├й.

So does misspelling words, but that doesn't mean I'm going to take 20 minutes to proofread every post.

[Brad the Impala]

Surely by now you know that name-calling, troll-labeling and general character assassination are the stuff and substance of SGT, so if you drop even the tiniest bit of meat, the hyenas will begin circling.From the person once described as "the most despicable person posting on SGT".

It was alleged to have been said by the "deceased" Colonel to someone called Sathorn who only posted four times, and was last seen in the library with the lead piping and Mrs White. Hardly what one would call convincing antecedents for the comment. And where would Curious fit into the menagerie of those bringing bile from the "grave"?

[x in pattaya]

Those big tips make all the difference .....

The jabs regarding big tippers are passe, I'd expect something more original from you.





Commenting on such things here at the Fight Club and not expecting to be pummeled implies an unbelievable na├пvet├й.

So does misspelling words, but that doesn't mean I'm going to take 20 minutes to proofread every post.

ThatтАЩs certainly your prerogative and probably an efficient and sensible allocation of your time. Similarly you could dispense with the bother of looking both ways while crossing Silom on a Friday night, but then complaining about the тАЬmotorcyтАЭ tyre tracks on your forehead would be, to use your term, pass├й.

then complaining about the тАЬmotorcyтАЭ tyre tracks on your forehead would be, to use your term, pass├й.

Surely if I had complained about someone's comment then you would have quoted it. Explaining and complaining are different things.

mlomker i wouldn't bother with mr.x-in-dreamland......... a more pompous prick you are unlikely to find on this forum.....

He is far too concerned with his own fantastic-ness to be seriously bothered with helpful posts..... more interested in nit-picking and attempting to show just how superior he is... sorry...he would like to think he is....although funnier still is that he probably believes he is! The same kind of delusion as GF suffers from and equally as anal........you get the picture.

When he is not doing that his other posts hint at being informative..........then of course turn into the usual waffle either of his great generosity or his incredible prowess with the men and boys who adore him.......sadly it seems when you read his posts that he is begining to believe all his own hype as well as his hired-hands sweet talking and excellent acting...why else would he believe that he is something more than simlpy another bog-standard farang mug with an open wallet.........

Yes mr.xp is indeed another candidate for the Gone Fishing mantle........

He is far too concerned with his own fantastic-ness to be seriously bothered with helpful posts..... more interested in nit-picking and attempting to show just how superior he is... sorry...he would like to think he is....Let's not forget his proud boast of having been deported from 34 countries in his working life.

[cdnmatt]

You know, it really makes me wonder when I see the тАЬcheap charliesтАЭ down at the beach...

This actually came up in conversation earlier tonight, and yep, I guess many Thais consider farangs in Jomtien as kii-niao (cheap). Doesn't surprise me, considering some of the tip rates mentioned just in this thread.

considering some of the tip rates mentioned just in this thread.

They want all of your money. Even then they'd probably suggest you go make more and come back.

At some point you have to give up trying to impress wait staff and hustlers, I think.

[dorayme]

My experience with the Sea Falcon on Dongtan Beach has been the food is mediocre. I was joined by two Thai on my LAST visit which was a few years ago. One was an engineer and the other an MBA graduate from Thailand's #1 university. The manager talked to them like they were bar boys. It is unlikely I will ever go back. Tui's and Somboon's are better choices.

[Patexpat]

My experience with the Sea Falcon on Dongtan Beach has been the food is mediocre. I was joined by two Thai on my LAST visit which was a few years ago. One was an engineer and the other an MBA graduate from Thailand's #1 university. The manager talked to them like they were bar boys. It is unlikely I will ever go back. Tui's and Somboon's are better choices.


yup, agree 100%. Food mediocre at best - and they seemed to have a problem getting our order correct despite being ordered in Thai - by a Thai. Good location for tourists to drop in but there are many better eating places locally.

[Smiles]

" ... Surely if I had complained about someone's comment then you would have quoted it. Explaining and complaining are different things ... "
Talking about Homintern ... who's Shirley?

My experience with the Sea Falcon on Dongtan Beach has been the food is mediocre. I was joined by two Thai on my LAST visit which was a few years ago. One was an engineer and the other an MBA graduate from Thailand's #1 university. The manager talked to them like they were bar boys.

Did they have their degrees emblazoned on their t-shirts? Otherwise, how would the owner have known they were so hi-so?

[dorayme]

Almost any idiot should be able to tell the difference..... But, no one should be treated like they are bar boys especially someone who is 30 years old. No one should be rude to a paying guest no matter what.

[lonelywombat]

I remember years ago when staying at the Montien in BKK an overseas student who had gained his MBA in Aust, and had been back in Thailand working for almost 3 years, was blocked from visiting me in my room at 1600 on a very wet day. he was soaking wet when he arrived.

The prick in charge of security had his staff placed in front of all lifts to prevent this" prostitute" from visiting a room.

I complained bitterly at the slight and it came out that my graduate friend was earning more than the security person and far better qualified. He was straight and I had never had sex with him.
I befriended him when he was working at a Thai restaurant.

I would never stay there again.

The prick in charge of security had his staff placed in front of all lifts to prevent this" prostitute" from visiting a room.

That reminds me of the look on the security guard's face when I showed up with two Thais at 3am. One of them was locked out of his apartment due to the late hour and slept out on the balcony. Needless to say, the gay places are liberal about such things.

[colmx]

Almost any idiot should be able to tell the difference..... But, no one should be treated like they are bar boys especially someone who is 30 years old. No one should be rude to a paying guest no matter what.

And what exactly is wrong with Bar boys?

It seems to me that the owner didn't like the stinky attitude of you or your hi-so friends!

Almost any idiot should be able to tell the difference.....

Agreed, with some reservations - that does, however, exclude Beach Dummy and his ilk.

[Surfcrest]

My experience with the Sea Falcon on Dongtan Beach has been the food is mediocre. I was joined by two Thai on my LAST visit which was a few years ago. One was an engineer and the other an MBA graduate from Thailand's #1 university. The manager talked to them like they were bar boys. It is unlikely I will ever go back. Tui's and Somboon's are better choices.


yup, agree 100%. Food mediocre at best - and they seemed to have a problem getting our order correct despite being ordered in Thai - by a Thai. Good location for tourists to drop in but there are many better eating places locally.
The owner of the place is a usual fixture at the Sea Falcon. I'm not sure who the manager is, but it is and has been the same owner for the past 5 years or so. I only eat there for breakfast and so my expectations for toast, eggs, bacon or ham might be considerably less than the next guy. I usually enjoy the Eggs Benedict, on spinach and ham with a little Bearnaise sauce on top. The тАЬAmerican BreakfastтАЭ is a good deal with juice, tea / coffee and toast included. If you order the same American Breakfast тАЬa la carteтАЭ it won't be as good a deal overall.
My b.f. Has had the same ordering problems off and on. He usually orders ham and they sometimes bring him bacon. My guess is that the waiters don't have MBA's and sometimes the order gets lost in translation. We've never had any problems having the order corrected if it does come wrong.
They serve lunch and dinner, so its not as though the breakfast fare is the only details the waiters need to remember.
Anyway, I'm not raving about the place....it's just breakfast to me. I enjoy a тАЬrealтАЭ cup of coffee in the morning...not the instant stuff they serve at Tui's and Somboon's. It's also nice to get a free re-fill, without asking.....also a big plus for me with the Sea Falcon.
The beach chairs where I sit used to serve food from Tui's, which I liked. Sometime over the past years they switched to Somboon's and I have been less than impressed. I used to enjoy the odd small lunch dish with shrimp...but they don't taste / look as fresh as they did.
One more gripe though from me about the beach crowd from me is with the farang treatment of one particular hawker / seller named Wai Lai. She can be seen getting around on a crutch, selling inexpensive hand made items she makes herself. This includes hand carved soaps, flowers made from drinking straws, silk flowers and butterflies. God Bless her for trying so hard, with her disability to support herself as best she can. Too often she complains to me about the rude тАЬget away from meтАЭ treatment she gets from the farangs, including those in the gay chairs. She's been down at the beach for years, she certainly isn't pushy and it's really not easy trying to navigate through the sand with a crutch and a disability. I'm a big believer in тАЬkarmaтАЭ.

God Bless her for trying so hard, with her disability to support herself as best she can. Too often she complains to me about the rude тАЬget away from meтАЭ treatment she gets from the farangs, including those in the gay chairs. She's been down at the beach for years, she certainly isn't pushy and it's really not easy trying to navigate through the sand with a crutch and a disability. I'm a big believer in тАЬkarmaтАЭ.You mean when the farangs are down on their last crotch karma will kick in? I did mention this to Dad but He wasn't in a good mood, I fear another Act of God will be on you all pretty soon, perhaps a tsunami for Dongtan Beach? It's not as if any of you will end up here, Heaven's got no room for promiscuous sodomites.

[PeterUK]

My experience with the Sea Falcon on Dongtan Beach has been the food is mediocre.

BUT... they do know how to cook scrambled eggs properly, something of a rarity in Thailand. They always arrive soft and fluffy and not in a solid lump.

My favorite place for breakfast the past two visits has been Dick's Cafe in Jomtien. I've been to quite a few breakfast places and none offer a consistent product or service, even Dick's in Bangkok didn't come close.

Tong was my waiter almost every morning that I ate at Dick's. Not only is he friendly and sweet, he's attentive and efficient. While he's busy attending tables, his co-workers are off gabbing and mucking about. In the evening I won't eat there for the sole reason the service is sketchy. I got up to pay my bill and witnessed pure confusion between the kitchen staff and servers which explained why I waited so long for food.
I'm not bitching or complaining, I'm just hoping someone from Dick's might lend a bit loving guidance to their wait staff.

but back to breakfast....

Everyday I ate there I ordered the All Day Breakfast. The scrambled eggs were always perfect, fluffy and a tad moist, never overdone or dry. The bacon was crispy and the toast was served dry with soft butter that was not rock hard cold. The breakfast came with juice and real coffee with which refills were frequently offered.

Unfortunately they don't open until 10 and for times I couldn't wait I made my way into Soi VC and ate breakfast at Howard's. A couple times I ate at a place in View Talay 5D. They open at 8, the food was good but once I had to wait 30 minutes for my order to arrive and I was the only customer.

[Surfcrest]

I did mention this to Dad but He wasn't in a good mood,I fear another Act of God will be on you all pretty soon, perhaps a tsunami for Dongtan Beach? It's not as if any of you will end up here, Heaven's got no room for promiscuous sodomites.

With inside knowledge like that, would you know if this tsunami will come with enough force to wash View Talay 7 out to sea?
Last Tuesday's "thunder banger" wacked it a few times, but with only enough force to make the lights blink. Surely there's some sort of Viagra that he could consider for these "acts" that you fear....and oh...how about the non-promiscuous sodomites?
Would Miss Anne Thorpe have anything to do with "Dad's" bad mood....if you see her...tell her I said "hi"!

[psd1315]

The garbage all over Thailand is disappointing, blue and white 7-11 plastic bags liter the countryтАж If I were the King, the first thing I would do. 1. Kick all Russians out of the country. 2. Ask the entire population to respect the land and begin a national clean-up program.

have been coming to Thailand over the last 10 years. Seeing all the Russians in the last 3 or 4 years is quite disappointing. I have known and hired a few Russians over the years but find most to be unworthy, dishonest obnoxious, rude and pushy least to say more drunk red-faced than most tourist. The boys I know say they are cheap and have no respect for Thais or their culture тАж I never felt this way against a class of people or country, but now I fully understand why the Germans had such an agenda toward them not so many years ago.

....and oh...how about the non-promiscuous sodomites?The Beloved Disciple is here with me in Heaven. However you will recall that during my Earthly ministry I said "Whoever looks at someone with lust in their heart has comitted adultery already". I think that visiting the fleshpots where almost naked young male flesh disports itself for sale almost certainly puts you in the "lust in their heart" category. Threading a needle is not easy, you know - it requires patience and practice and a lack of distraction. I trust I have been of service to you today.

[quiet1]

The garbage all over Thailand is disappointing, blue and white 7-11 plastic bags liter the countryтАж
Agreed about the appalling abundance of litter, but where do you see blue and white 7-11 bags, since their corporate colors are green, red and orange? (The plastic bags I have from 7-11 are white with green printing.)

And, my goodness, your rant on Russians was expressive. Do you feel better now?