BIG TROUBLE 5

[giggsy]

[youtube:2iqilm0h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Omd883rU0[/youtube:2iqilm0h]

[youtube:2iqilm0h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usXxmXwn4C8[/youtube:2iqilm0h]

[youtube:2iqilm0h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9N9s_MDXJU[/youtube:2iqilm0h]

[youtube:2iqilm0h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgvAILr7mts[/youtube:2iqilm0h]

[Beachlover]

Sweet... thanks Giggsy.

Another dopey drug dealer in this episode. The things this guy says are really stupid. No conscience or thought about the consequences at all. He sells illegal drugs and things it's more fair if he just spends 6 months in jail like in his home country.

[zinzone]

Sweet... thanks Giggsy.

Another dopey drug dealer in this episode. The things this guy says are really stupid. No conscience or thought about the consequences at all. He sells illegal drugs and things it's more fair if he just spends 6 months in jail like in his home country.

Agree- he claims trafficking in ecstacy is "such a small crime" and he was "set up"; course he never denied he is as guilty as hell.

As to the black shirted "police" joker H. Miller-he should audition for "Police Academy in Thailand", as he is more hilarious then Leslie Neilson.

In all 5 episodes its' usually if not always,idiots or drunkards or bums or persons involved with drugs in 'big trouble',so the lesson to be learned for those who want to come to Thailand is clearly self evident.

Thanks Giggsy for posting this!

That Howard Miller.
What a pillar of the community.
Gay or Strait, I don't care, he's a hunk and he should be given our support.

Well done Howard for keeping Pattaya safe for the tourists.

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

Thanks Giggy... really interesting... I know it takes time to download but if you did not, many of us could not follow the show.

As a retired police services, I can suggest that Howard Miller's behaviour is quite professional and he does a great job keeping things sane and getting efficient results without blowing up the event,. Great job.


Will Bravo cover any of the gay venues?

As a retired police services

Oh, god...not another one.

Can you help us track down your former colleague Copper Pheel, who appears to have done a runner after being outed as the dead Colonel?

[Patexpat]

As for the SWAT team ... do you laugh or cry? Deploying what looks like someones private army complete with assault rifles after a stolen car - and firing shots, on the move, on a public street? Would this be considered an appropriate and measured response to that particular threat?

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

As a retired police services

Oh, god...not another one.

Can you help us track down your former colleague Copper Pheel, who appears to have done a runner after being outed as the dead Colonel?


Sorry Beach Bunny, I am not sure who Copper Pheel is....or the Colonel. :sunny: I am retired out of Police Services Metro Boston, New England in U.S.

However, I can assure you I would never intend to 'volunteer' there for the Tourist Police... it's too dangerous and upsetting and my partner would never allow it...

As a retired police services

Oh, god...not another one.


Who knows .... ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

[quote]As a retired police services

Oh, god...not another one.


Who knows .... ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.[/quote:3kwmlcni]



Really?? "Normally?"..... I think not and frankly have no idea where you would have got this terminology from.
Actually I was a deputy police chief, after serving in the CID for many years and motor patrol before that, and yes, I have a pension, which began at 42 years old after serving 21 loyal years. Then from there to federal service and now a therapist with the school board at the PhD level....
If I sound defensive, it's that I am offended by this silliness. You didn't dodge bullets, have your nose reconstructed after a vicious attack or endure the stress that is involved.

By the way, in North America, and especially here in Canada and Vancouver, our police departments are known as ".....Police Services"...

Why is that some of you are so caustic and cynical?? When folks make a statement, take it at face value. I just do not get it.
:drv:

[Smiles]

" ... If I sound defensive, it's that I am offended by this silliness ...
Why is that some of you are so caustic and cynical?? When folks make a statement, take it at face value. I just do not get it ... "
Being offended by 'silliness' on Sawatdee is like having a sit down and 'seriously' dissecting the concept of 'The-Inner-Mass-Murderer-In-Me' with Joseph Stalin.
Perhaps << http://www.baht-stop.com >> would be a more appropriate board if you can't take a likin' to "caustic". Can I say "Board to death"?

[Koh Samui Luv]

[quote]As a retired police services

Oh, god...not another one.


Who knows .... ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.[/quote:2uxjoszq]

Only a "pig" would boast about the fact of having been one.

[Beachlover]

[quote="Gone Fishing":103zu5hz]

Who knows .... ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.
[/b]


Really?? "Normally?"..... I think not and frankly have no idea where you would have got this terminology from.
Actually I was a deputy police chief, after serving in the CID for many years and motor patrol before that, and yes, I have a pension, which began at 42 years old after serving 21 loyal years. Then from there to federal service and now a therapist with the school board at the PhD level....
If I sound defensive, it's that I am offended by this silliness. You didn't dodge bullets, have your nose reconstructed after a vicious attack or endure the stress that is involved.

By the way, in North America, and especially here in Canada and Vancouver, our police departments are known as ".....Police Services"...

Why is that some of you are so caustic and cynical?? When folks make a statement, take it at face value. I just do not get it.
:drv:[/quote:103zu5hz]

Oh here we go... Ron is now going to witness a verbal tantrum, be called an idiot and be told he needs a nanny.

I have a great idea to save you time, GF. No need to type a new reply. Just copy one of your previous responses (pick your favourite)
and change a few details to make it relevant. It's all the same really.

[quote="Gone Fishing":1b3j728x]ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.

I think not and frankly have no idea where you would have got this terminology from.[/quote:1b3j728x]

From the many genuine ex-policeman I have met and known!

After reading your reference to "police services" I did a brief search (and did another one just to make sure after reading your more recent post!) and could not find a single reference to the Metro Boston Police Services, even historically or prior to their re-organization, although there are plenty to the Boston Police Department - maybe what it is called and what it is "known as" are different things. Who knows? Who cares??


You didn't dodge bullets, have your nose reconstructed after a vicious attack or endure the stress that is involved.

How would you possibly know what I did or "didn't" do? ....and how is that of any relevance??... and I am not calling you a liar (I would hate to put your poor, poor nose out of joint again), just pointing out that what you say contradicts the Boston Police Department's own website (http://http://www.cityofboston.gov/Police/).


Why is that some of you are so caustic and cynical??

Experience.

Maybe it has got something to do with the "folks" here (both on this board and in Thailand, particularly in Pattaya) having such illustrious backgrounds that they make up the most select group on the planet - retired professors, nobel scientists, generals, peers, billionaires, police chiefs (and their deputies), doctors and surgeons, advisers to the UN, ex- SAS, GSG 9, CIA, FBI, Spetsnaz, Legionnaires, SIS, MI6 (MI5 appears to be to mundane to be popular), etc, etc.


When folks make a statement, take it at face value.
Are you serious? Take everything "folks" say "at face value"?? Would a policeman do that??? Or even a "retired police services"????

I've been saving this for a moment like this....

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[Brad the Impala]

[quote="Ron-Heng Vancouver":1qbf76zk][quote="Gone Fishing":1qbf76zk]ex-policemen normally call themselves ex-policemen (or retired policemen, if retired and pensionable). Those who did the officework, cleaned the toilets, etc, normally call themselves retired police services officers.

I think not and frankly have no idea where you would have got this terminology from.[/quote:1qbf76zk]

From the many genuine ex-policeman I have met and known!

After reading your reference to "police services" I did a brief search (and did another one just to make sure after reading your more recent post!) and could not find a single reference to the Metro Boston Police Services, even historically or prior to their re-organization, although there are plenty to the Boston Police Department - maybe what it is called and what it is "known as" are different things. Who knows? Who cares??

[/quote:1qbf76zk]

If you improved your googling ability you might find yourself writing a little less rubbish. Even wikipedia provides immediate confirmation of the Metro Police in Boston and confirmation that what elsewhere might be called departments are known as Service Units .

If you are going to insult and nit pick with posters on the basis of your self assumed vaunted knowledge, and base that knowledge on your googling skills, then you had better hone your googling skills a little more. Perhaps there is a course in internet use where you live in "Pattaya not in Pattaya"? Either that or acknowledge that perhaps you are a little more out of touch than you realise. How long is it that you have been retired now?

"The Metro Police also maintained a full service detective unit to investigate crimes on its primary jurisdiction as well as providing Detectives and undercover agents to area cities and towns, the state Attorney Generals Office, the Norfolk and Suffolk County District Attorney's offices, area Drug Task Forces, the state Auto Theft Strike Force, the DEA Boston Drug Task Force, the Secret Service and the FBI."

[Beachlover]

maybe what it is called and what it is "known as" are different things. Who knows? Who cares??



Well seeing as you used this point to call into question Ron's statement....

Even wikipedia provides immediate confirmation of the Metro Police in Boston and confirmation that what elsewhere might be called departments are known as Service Units .

Totally untrue, Brad, as usual.

Of course "Wikipedia provides immediate confirmation of the Metro Police in Boston" - what neither it nor any other readily available source provides is confirmation of any unit, grouping or any sort of organisation ever called "Police Services Metro Boston". If I had given "21 loyal years" to a job where I was "deputy chief" I like to think that I would at least remember the name of the organisation I had worked for.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Department) does not give any "confirmation that what elsewhere might be called departments are known as Service Units " - what it clearly states is that "The Boston Police Department is organized into bureaus тАж..The Bureau of Field Services (BFS). тАж..The Bureau of Investigative Services (BIS) тАж..Other bureaus include the Bureau of Administrative Services" These Bureaus are then divided into Units such as the Hackney Carriage Unit, Special Operations Unit, Homicide Unit, etc. The words "Service Units" do not appear to be in any Wikipedia article on the Boston Police, contrary to what you have claimed - if they are, provide a link to the article and details or be shown, once again, to be a bare-faced liar.


If you are going to insult and nit pick with posters on the basis of your self assumed vaunted knowledge, and base that knowledge on your googling skills, then you had better hone your googling skills a little more

I'm not and I don't - I base it on personal experience which, when I want to confirm something, I check to ensure that I am correct (which I readily admit that I am not 100% of the time, and when I am not I say so - something I have yet to see you do, Brad).

Maybe in addition to honing your lying skills (lying about what an easily verifiable source such as Wikipedia says, presumably on the grounds that no-one will bother checking, is not very clever) you could hone your English skills - for example the phrase "a full service detective unit" is a descriptive one (as in a detective unit that provides full services) while the phrase "Police Services Metro Boston" is a unit title (or at least it would be if it existed).


Perhaps there is a course in internet use where you live in "Pattaya not in Pattaya"? Either that or acknowledge that perhaps you are a little more out of touch than you realise. How long is it that you have been retired now?

No, no courses here although you may be able to learn how to pick coconuts or feed buffalos. Your continued fixation with my location (it is actually "Pattaya area, not Pattaya", which I would have thought was specific enough) is rather peculiar given that you give no such details of your own location and I can see no reason whatsoever for anyone to give any more details (and plenty of reasons not to, particulaly to people like you).

I have been retired for 16 years - that hardly makes me senile, as I was fortunate enough to be able to retire some 30 years before most people, nor does it make me out of touch as I still get regular reports and updates on subjects which I specialised in and on which I am consulted (either gratis, or with any fee donated to a charity of my choice).

Keep proving the old adage , Brad : Lies, damn lies, and Brad the Liar.

maybe what it is called and what it is "known as" are different things. Who knows? Who cares??



Well seeing as you used this point to call into question Ron's statement....

A valid point, BL. Guilty - though I am surprised anyone else would care, except for Brad who simply can't resist making things up for some reason.

I don't really care, but I do find it very peculiar that anyone would get the name of the unit they worked for so wrong after "21 loyal years". My attention was actually caught by someone describing themselves as "a retired police services" which is such a really peculiar description, and then held by Ron's apparent insistence on digging an even deeper hole for himself. ... And I'm not an ex-policeman, in case you are wondering, although I have done a lot of work with the Police, any more than I was a "passed over" (the phrase I think you were looking for not too long ago) member of the military.

What I meant by "Who cares?" was that I don't really care if Ron was an ex-policeman, the ex-head of Interpol, or his experience was based on "helping the police with their enquiries" as I (and I would hope many others) judge posts on their content rather than any claimed expertise - something that, in my view, anyone saying "Howard Miller's behaviour is quite professional and he does a great job" obviously lacks.

And thanks for the thought, but time is something I have to spare - particularly now that its raining!

Oh, and the only person I have ever called an "idiot" here is Brad, for obvious reasons, unless you can read Farsi - in which case ╪г╪н┘Т┘Е┘О┘В ╪о╪п╪з ╪н╪з┘Б !!

[Brad the Impala]

[quote="Brad the Impala":4p4qxypq]If you are going to insult and nit pick with posters on the basis of your self assumed vaunted knowledge, and base that knowledge on your googling skills, then you had better hone your googling skills a little more

I'm not and I don't - I base it on personal experience which, when I want to confirm something, I check to ensure that I am correct [/quote:4p4qxypq]

You have personal experience of the police in Boston? You have personal experience of Ron's life and employment record?

You are so free and quick to challenge other posters' credentials and their credibility about their own lives and opinions, just because their opinion is different from yours. Take the wig off and stop acting as if we are in the Judicial Court of Gone Phishing!

[Brad the Impala]

Oh, and the only person I have ever called an "idiot" here is Brad, for obvious reasons, unless you can read Farsi - in which case ╪г╪н┘Т┘Е┘О┘В ╪о╪п╪з ╪н╪з┘Б !!

As delusional and as innacurate as ever! The excellent search engine here shows that you have called a number of other posters here idiots and only recently. Here are just some from the last year, cdnmatt, kittyboy, romania, topjohn. There were other occasions, which I haven't included, when it wasn't clear who you were calling an idiot. I am leaving out the occasions when it was done in Farsi, Latin or French



Apparently the same "pathetic idiot" who raised the point that Australia had no Marines, who quotes Wiki as his only source for "a parachute infantry battalion" rather than any Australian military source, who has no idea that despite all the ugrades to the C130s and the work on the HUPRA system that the ADF has neither the capability to airlift a battalion nor the necessity (one of the reasons why 3 RAR are due to be re-roled from light infantry to mech infantry) and who keeps insisting on prolonging a debate about which he knows nothing.

The same "pathetic idiot" who posted a long list of what he considered the "attributes that make up your "value proposition"" in a thread concerning relationships in Thailand then admitted that he had "no experience" of even a "half-decent relationship" with anyone in Thailand.

The same "pathetic idiot" who, despite claiming to be a "cutie" in his "early twenties" who has never been here for "more than a week at a time", has nothing better to do than make considerably more posts here per day than me!

Thread where Pissing is talking bollocks about the Oz military (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/gay-thailand/sunee-raid-t18353-90.html?hilit=idiot#p188366)



Your posts prove you to be an idiot, as usual. My continued interest in this subject, and in particular in responding to you and Brad, are making me question my own rationality, and it is well past time I gave you both the attention you deserve - nil.

Thread about manners! (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/gay-thailand/how-not-behave-thai-bar-t17939-60.html?hilit=idiot#p182195)



Wai do you feel the need to make an idiot of yourself?

Thread about waiing (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/gay-thailand/wai-question-t16262.html?hilit=idiot#p162524)



I am amazed even you still believe anything that you say that you say(or write). You did just write that I was "the only person that you had ever called an idiot here", didn't you?

And yet you constantly belittle and berate other posters for not providing watertight evidence, or exact terminology, to back up their statements, opinions and interpretations. That's all we have here, individual opinions and interpretations, no one is proving facts in a courtroom, it isn't feasible here, and it doesn't exactly make for edifying exchanges of views. Your bullying adversarial attitude is driving posters away, in my opinion, and certainly not changing anyone's mind, so what is the point?

unless you can read Farsi - in which case ╪г╪н┘Т┘Е┘О┘В ╪о╪п╪з ╪н╪з┘Б !!

I checked your Farsi on the Google translator. I used the 'detect language' function since Google doesn't offer Farsi for translation. It came back as Arabic with a translation of: "Enter the wacky quilt."

I then noticed it does Persian so the Google translation from Persian to English is "Hmq God Haf"

Then I looked for an online Farsi/English dictionary (babylon.com) The translation came back as "They though they refused God"

Which of these translations best fits your 'Idiot' ... I'm hoping it's the wacky quilt :help:

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

Fish, you told me not to bother to respond, and I didn't, but it seems I have unnecessarily caused some flack among you, so.....

wow... There is Big Trouble in Thailand..... found right here within the grasp of our strong and direct personalities.

..and the toxic rain of words continue.... sorry to cause any anxiety among any of you. Not my intent.

Police Services, Metro Boston, is a catch phrase that was often used by members as is the word stationhouse, house, barn for Police HDQTS. It's semantics.

Brad and Fish... you are right, the agency is Metropolitan Police, Boston, MA, and there are several other agencies dispersed throughout the Boston and New England area.

Through this, and the point is lost, I fear, I wanted to just note that Howard Miller's conduct on these tapes, at least, are impressive to me, and I compare it to people I have known in the business. I do not agree with how the volunteers are selected and the lack of a thorough background, check, but then I am not responsible for any of that.

Fish, I appreciate your desire to check out things and to spend time responding to people, and I appreciate the time that all of this takes. I also can understand your reluctance to accept things at face value. I am, even after all these years, a believer in the positive aspect of mankind. That got me into trouble frequently then and still does. People often ask how I can maintain a positive, smiling personality years after leaving my police job and school admin. job. It's just me, Benji, my partner, also says I am too nice to people.... and believe everything I am told, oh well , a fault.

Thank you everyone for the input and sorry to have caused any problems...... :notworthy:

[cdnmatt]

I wanted to just note that Howard Miller's conduct on these tapes, at least, are impressive to me, and I compare it to people I have known in the business.

Not to contradict a fellow Vancouverite, but one of the episodes shows good ole' Howard punching a guy in the head just for shits & giggles. And that was actually shown on TV within the UK, so who knows what happens when the cameras aren't two feet away from him.

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

I wanted to just note that Howard Miller's conduct on these tapes, at least, are impressive to me, and I compare it to people I have known in the business.

Not to contradict a fellow Vancouverite, but one of the episodes shows good ole' Howard punching a guy in the head just for shits & giggles. And that was actually shown on TV within the UK, so who knows what happens when the cameras aren't two feet away from him.


Hi Matt

Of course that is inexcusable... and unacceptable... as I can state, "from what I observed on the tapes I saw."
Truly I am shocked at how this group is able to operate...... well beyond anything of which I have knowledge.

Matt, I hope your life there continues to be a happy one.... Benji and I hope to be there winters (probably Hua Hin or near his family in BKK) within the next four years. The reason I am even on this blog is to try to get some "read" on what is happening there for foreign men. Our other choice may be BA < Argentina. For sure,we will NEVER leave Vancouver for good as we love it here too much and have too many positive and great friends here.

We think about you, however... :sunny:

Ron

[Beachlover]

LOL Brad... I don't think the font size you used for the word, "idiot" is big enough there. :blackeye:

[Brad the Impala]

LOL Brad... I don't think the font size you used for the word, "idiot" is big enough there. :blackeye:

You are probably right, it is hard to penetrate titanium skulls!

That's all we have here, individual opinions and interpretations, no one is proving facts in a courtroom, it isn't feasible here .....Your bullying adversarial attitude is driving posters away, in my opinion, and certainly not changing anyone's mind, so what is the point?

I disagree entirely - "individual opinions and interpretations" should be based on facts and most of those facts are readily available if you want to find them. You seldom do, only being interested in those "facts" which support your agenda and avoiding and deriding those facts which often prove you to be wrong beyond any doubt. In those cases where you have been unable to avoid the facts you have chosen instead to attack the poster (usually me!) instead, at any opportunity, irrespective of whether you had any knowledge of or other interest in the subject (such as here).

I have learnt a considerable amount from some posters here and some have even been generous enough to say that they have learnt something new from me - the many threads on Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni are a case in point, where you refused to acknowledge the possibility that you were wrong and a number of posters admitted surprise at reading the true story from irrefutable authorities.

The problem, Brad, is nothing to do with this thread in particular but is one of perspective and belief. We have markedly different views on what it mans to be "gay" and that is clearly the reason for our differences, nothing else.

I have never made any secret of my sexual preference but I have never experienced any form of discrimination or adverse comments, either socially or professionally. I am not "proud" of being gay, nor am I ashamed of it - it is simply the way I am and as it is not one of my achievements, to be "proud" of it would be ridiculous. I prefer to be judged on my own merits, nothing else, which is how I judge others, and I see flaunting it, boasting about it and promoting it for no reason to be as unpleasant as flaunting my race, colour, creed, social position, caste, status, religion, or any other characteristic. You, on the other hand, have apparently been discriminated against and this appears, understandably, to have influenced you accordingly. From what you have said here you seem to support any cause or person which is seen to be "gay" simply because it is "gay", regardless of its merits, and to consider that "if you are not with us you are against us" and that epitomizes the bigotry I have always disliked and always will. That is the point


Enough philosophising, back to normal :violent1:


As delusional and as innacurate as ever!

So you were lying about Wikipedia? Oh well, on to other things instead:


You have personal experience of the police in Boston? You have personal experience of Ron's life and employment record?

No, none whatsoever, nor (unlike you) do I have any interest in either. My point was based purely on what was posted here. I do, however, have considerable experience of working with and training a number of national police forces throughout the world, at all levels, in a number of specialist fields and I have never heard any retired police officer refer to themselves as "a retired police services" - the phrase is meaningless.


You did just write that I was "the only person that you had ever called an idiot here", didn't you?

Correct, Brad - I am surprised you managed to quote me correctly for a change. Your comprehension appears, however, to be getting worse:

" " These are called quotation marks, Brad - you use them when quoting someone else!

Thread about manners! This was actually a thread about a bar brawl in which you contradicted my statistics on gun violence in Thailand as being from a poor source and you then gave a link to the same source confirming them! The "idiot" comment was again, if you were to check, a quote.

Thread about waiing This was clearly a joke and a play on the word "wai" (my opening line was "Wai, on your first visit, should you feel the need to do so at all?". TJ5 clearly realised this from his subsequent post - anyone who did not would have to be very (or deliberately) obtuse. Take your pick (as we used to say at school when it was rock cakes for elevenses) as to which one applies to you.

Which of these translations best fits your 'Idiot' ... I'm hoping it's the wacky quilt :help:

I haven't heard the wacky quilt one before!

Its very colloquial/slang, so you are unlikely to come up with much using an automatic translator - although the "goodbye" part (literally may Allah go with you) should show up. The closest you can get literally is may Allah protect you from your lack of a brain - rather like trying to translate don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out!

it seems I have unnecessarily caused some flack among you, so.....

wow...

Don't worry, Ron, you were merely the catalyst (or the excuse), nothing more.

As I said, I am not calling you a liar it is just a peculiar choice of phrase - the sort of thing you would answer the phone with rather than to describe yourself. I actually spend a lot less time checking things out than some imagine, but I readily admit that I am a bit of a cynic when it comes to some people's claims here which often vary from the imaginative to the downright outrageous, which is why I take posts at face value, rather than posters. I have no reason to doubt you personally, so if you are who you claim to be then I apologize for any slight.



the point is lost, I fear, I wanted to just note that Howard Miller's conduct on these tapes, at least, are impressive to me, and I compare it to people I have known in the business.
....... that is inexcusable... and unacceptable... Truly I am shocked at how this group is able to operate...... well beyond anything of which I have knowledge.

Presumably your first comment was made before seeing the tape leading to the latter comment an hour later! My surprise at your original comment coming from a retired police officer (or whatever!) was based on what I knew was on the tapes and know of those involved - although I have never even seen any of these people "at work" their reputation precedes them. They are actually authorised not by the Police, but by the TAT (Tourism Authority of Thailand) and they have no official authority whatsoever; successive local Tourist Police commanders have simply allowed them to get away with more and more. A friend of mine who was a senior officer with the Tourist Police (now promoted and moved) asked me if I was interested when they and the Search and Rescue Teams were being established and trained, but I withdrew once the stormtrooper uniform was decided on - originally it was going to be a white anorak/windbreaker with TAT Assistant on the back!

[Ron-Heng Vancouver]

Fish Thanks for your note. I am trying to respond but you have blocked the emails. Can you open, or am I not knowing what to do?

[Brad the Impala]

I have never made any secret of my sexual preference but I have never experienced any form of discrimination or adverse comments, either socially or professionally. I am not "proud" of being gay, nor am I ashamed of it - it is simply the way I am and as it is not one of my achievements, to be "proud" of it would be ridiculous. I prefer to be judged on my own merits, nothing else, which is how I judge others, and I see flaunting it, boasting about it and promoting it for no reason to be as unpleasant as flaunting my race, colour, creed, social position, caste, status, religion, or any other characteristic. You, on the other hand, have apparently been discriminated against and this appears, understandably, to have influenced you accordingly. From what you have said here you seem to support any cause or person which is seen to be "gay" simply because it is "gay", regardless of its merits, and to consider that "if you are not with us you are against us" and that epitomizes the bigotry I have always disliked and always will. That is the point




I donтАЩt know what the relevance of this is, but since you brought it up..................................

Despite your telling me that I have, I have not suffered in significant ways for my sexuality, not compared to the young gays bullied at school, the gay men still being assaulted in homophobic attacks, and the men being murdered for their sexuality from Iran to Italy. I therefore cannot be said to have been "influenced" in my attitude by personal experiences, although I think that it is only human to empathize with those who have suffered, and continue to do so.

I donтАЩt think highly of people who believe that, because they arenтАЩt touched by prejudice in their own lives, they have no incentive or inclination to push for the rights of those who are, have been and will be, affected. A bit too much тАЬI'm alright JackтАЭ, and passing by on the other side of the road, for my taste. While anyone who would describe as тАЬextremist bigots looking for a fightтАЭ, gay men brave enough to go on a parade in Eastern Europe, having been firebombed the previous year, is beyond reasoning.

I am glad that you have apologised to Ron, and now recognize that he may after all be who he says he is, even if his description of his work did not tally with the terminology that you felt appropriate.

(Caution to Ron, while most people recognize that a "Private Message" is just that, anything that you write in such a message to Gone Fishing may subsequently appear in public)

I am guessing you are not knowing! I have just received and read the PMs - I think that what has probably happened is that they were shown as in your outbox and not as "sent" until I logged on.

I donтАЩt know what the relevance of this is, but since you brought it up....

The relevance is simple and you have confirmed it - that the sole reason you have posted here, and in many of the other threads where I post anything, has nothing whatsoever to do with Ron or the contents of this or the other threads but is based purely on personal offence you took to a post I made which you have repeatedly and deliberately mis-quoted and continue to lie about. As you wrote at the time (14 July 2008), explaining the line you have since followed and are following here: "Your unwillingness to retract/modify is remarkable and shameful, particularly for a member of a minority group, and will colour for me your comments on any topic in the future."

As I explained a very patient seven times in the original thread (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/any-other-country/protesters-attack-gays-and-police-budapest-t15301-15.html?hilit=fight#p149414) and twice subsequently (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/any-other-country/clashes-mar-bosnias-first-gay-festival-t15971.html?hilit=fight#p159093), after which I could see little point in trying to explain myself to you any further, I have never described those who took part in that particular parade as тАЬextremist bigots looking for a fightтАЭ as you say I have.

My actual comment made following a part of a press report which I quoted (The "Dignity March" organised by gay groups began at one end of the boulevard, while the protesters gathered at the opposite end and at other intersections along the way. Gay groups said they were marching partly to repudiate several recent attacks against them) was:

"Sounds like one group of extremist bigots looking for a fight with another group of extremist bigots. A productive day for all, apparently."

As I explained to you and others:

"I clearly quoted one particular line from a Reuters article, which had already been quoted in full and referenced, and said what I thought the article "sounds like". To say that this is, or has ever been, my view is as accurate as saying that someone who said that it "sounds like rain" based on what someone else said to them has said that "it is raining" - if that is what you believe, then you are considerably less intelligent than I have given you credit for.

What I would say, and it has nothing specifically to do with Bosnia or gays, is that anyone who organises any sort of festival during Ramadan in a largely Muslim country, when eating, drinking (even water), music, meetings (except for prayer), sport, etc, in public or private, are banned during daylight hours is being deliberately disrespectful at best and that it would not be an exaggeration to call it provocative.

My view of the relevance of Ramadan, despite some posters saying it was irrelevant as the country was only 40% Muslim was, as I also pointed out, confirmed when subsequent Reuters reports noted "protesters shouting "kill the gays" and "Allahu Akbar"". I have never advocated "I'm alright Jack", and passing by on the other side of the road" - what I have said repeatedly is that there is a time and a place for everything and that, in this case and according to the reports it "sounds like" it was deliberately provocative and that this was the wrong time and place.

What you claim I said, as I have said repeatedly until there is no point explaining it any further to you, is a lie.

Similarly I did not tell you that you "have suffered in significant ways for" your "sexuality". What I actually said was that you "have apparently been discriminated against" - totally different and not, as I recall, incorrect.

I initially thought that you were simply illiterate and could not understand my explanations; I then thought you were being deliberately obtuse in order to promote your own agenda of gay rights as a homophile; now that I see you have again taken the opportunity to promote yourself as one who was "brave enough to go on a parade in Eastern Europe, having been firebombed the previous year" so maybe you are just trying to boost your own ego. Pathetic.

(Caution to Ron, while most people recognize that a "Private Message" is just that, anything that you write in such a message to Gone Fishing may subsequently appear in public)

Only if the sender is both hypocrite enough to say one thing about a person in public and the opposite in private, and then stupid enough to ask first would you be able to supply a link (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/gay-thailand/donations-this-forum-t16121-15.html?hilit=cunt#p161007) and subsequently ask me to back it up (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/gay-thailand/server-down-time-october-10th-t18438.html?hilit=cunt#p188798)!!!

I have actually stated my views on PMs recently (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/posting-guidelines/personal-details-t18430.html), as well as the possible dangers of revealing personal details to those, such as Brad, who repeatedly ask for them.


Seriously, Brad, this is getting to be as tedious, time-wasting and boring for me as I imagine it is for anyone wading through it to try to find anything worthwhile (hint: there isn't anything!) and it is becoming repetitive and simply puerile. We will clearly seldom agree, but I would suggest that the best solution for the board (which you imply I am damaging) would be for us both to cease any personal attacks or comments on each other and to undertake not to refer to any previous posts the other has made; the first transgressor should leave the board, not to return.

Deal? :dontknow:

[Brad the Impala]

Oh yes! Slag me off with a selection of distortions and half truths, and then suggest a deal! I don't think so. Although my purpose in joining in this thread now seems to have been achieved, in that you appear no longer to assume that Ron is a cleaner and a fantasist, so I won't continue here.

I will however continue to point out when you are talking bollocks on other threads, as I would for anyone else. I admit that there is an extra incentive to do this with you, which has nothing to do with your views on gay rights, and everything to do with the fact that you "sound like" a bully.

(Apparently if you put "sounds like" in front of a statement it means that the following statement is actually not your opinion, even though the choice of words are yours. Suggest you try it when you're next in a pub in Glasgow. "You all sound like cunts")

God only knows what the point is in your self justifying rant about "organizing a gay march in a largely muslim country during Ramadan". The parade on which we both commented was in Budapest, which is not in Bosnia but in Hungary, where a census showed that muslims make up less than half a per cent of the population. Better get the atlas out again, as I don't think even you can skewer half a per cent into a majority!

[Beachlover]

[quote="Brad the Impala"] Suggest you try it when you're next in a pub in Glasgow. "You all seem like cunts"/quote]

Haha.... a very constructive suggestion. It would solve a lot of problems.

Oh yes! Slag me off with a selection of distortions and half truths, and then suggest a deal! I don't think so. Although my purpose in joining in this thread now seems to have been achieved, in that you appear no longer to assume that Ron is a cleaner and a fantasist, so I won't continue here.

So your ego is more important to you than the board - what a surprise. The "distortions and half truths" are there for anyone to read if they are bored enough to click on the links; your links, as usual, did not contain any of the information you claimed so your intervention made no difference to my view of Ron.


I will however continue to point out when you are talking bollocks on other threads,...

"Continue" means that you have done so before. All you have done is to give links which are either not based on any authoritative source or, more often, do not actually contain any of the information you claim they do.


(Apparently if you put "sounds like" in front of a statement it means that the following statement is actually not your opinion, even though the choice of words are yours. Suggest you try it when you're next in a pub in Glasgow. "You all sound like cunts")

Do you genuinely not understand basic English construction? If you quote something and then comment on it, particularly if you preface your comment with "sounds like" you are expressing your opinion about what you have quoted. If you want to use your Glasgow analogy, it is the equivalent of saying "Have you read this letter about you from Brad? He says that you ....(use your usual vivid imagination) .... which makes you all sound like cunts".


God only knows what the point is in your self justifying rant about "organizing a gay march in a largely muslim country during Ramadan". The parade on which we both commented was in Budapest, which is not in Bosnia but in Hungary .....

Not only God, Brad. I gave two links , (as in one, two ... one more than one, one less than three). The first (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/any-other-country/protesters-attack-gays-and-police-budapest-t15301-15.html?hilit=fight#p149414) was to the parade in Budapest, the second (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/any-other-country/clashes-mar-bosnias-first-gay-festival-t15971.html?hilit=bosnia#p159342) was to the parade in Bosnia, where you wrote in the second post on the thread "GF on the other hand would say that by having a gay rights festival, they were being provocative and "looking for a fight", and deduce that those being attacked, and those doing the attacking, were both "extremist bigots"" to which I gave the explanation I repeated above in an attempt to make it clear enough for a three year old with a minimal command of English. In your case I obviously failed to make it simple enough.

"simply illiterate ...... deliberately obtuse ..... just trying to boost your own ego" - I really have no idea.


BL, hardly a "very constructive suggestion". Unlike Brad I have never said anything about anyone behind their backs that I would not say to their face.

Humour Brad if you must,Bl , even support him if that makes you happy, but so far I have credited you with sufficient intelligence not to emulate him (although your misquoting the key part of what he actually said only one post before is in the best Brad tradition). If you want to prove me wrong then carry on by all means.

╪г╪н┘Т┘Е┘О┘В ╪о╪п╪з ╪н╪з┘Б to both of you!!