And yet another Shan bites the dust...

This time, I witnessed the whole thing (almost). The best guy from Free Guy had come for a visit, and it was splendid. Very loving and very affectionate. Then he headed for home, and got arrested by the Thai police. He called me, and he called his Thai manager.

I zoomed right up, and took (really) no part in the proceedings -- except for being a watching farang. My guy from Free Guy was busted for a number of "crimes" -- while I sat on my AirBlade right behind him, wearing no helmet, having no license, and driving a bike which was registered in a Thai name.

Did the Thai police bust me? Of course not!

Fortunately, the owner/manager of Free Guy showed up, and we got away for a MERE one thousand baht. I suspect the arresting policeman put that bank-note into his household budget, even though there was a form and my guy had to sign his name.

At least he got away in 15 minutes, without losing his bike. But that was with an onlooking farang, and a very helpful Thai manager.

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And, I'm not sure if you're aware, but if a cop writes a ticket, he gets half the money legally, rather than all the cash illegally by sticking it in his pocket.

Clearly this is an example of Dek Wat's "Thailand has nothing to learn from Western culture"

Henry, are you implying that your boy was doing nothing illegal at the time the cops nailed him?

Henry makes these boys out to be angels, yet concedes they work in Free Guy; a few things about Free Guy

Where is this Den of Iniquity?

[jinks]

Where is this Den of Iniquity?

Not this one, but there is one just down the road from me. http://www.denofiniquity.co.uk/

These constant threads from Henry Cate on this forum about Shan boys and motorbikes are getting me pissed. The BIB are only doing their job clamping down on the minority of illegals who get the rest of the Shan People a bad name.

Henry makes these boys out to be angels, yet concedes they work in Free Guy; a few things about Free Guy:
1. Many of the guys who work there are Shan illegals
2. The real business of the bar is not just boys but something else too (why do you think the boys are constantly jumping on motorbikes coming and going from the place?).
3. Many of the boys have picked up a"habit" from this business which they cheat and steal to finance.
4. All this goes on under the "protection" of the real owner.

I know several guys who work/have worked in Free Guy; some are friends; none are angels. And I've lost count of the "police took my motosai" stories - though for every real story there's five more scam stories for the farang (how many of the "fines" have you paid Henry :idea: ?). They are more likely to have lost the motosai in a back street gambling den, than to the police anyway. But what the heck, they just go steal another one!

Does anyone think there's a single one of these Shan Boys that provide Henry's sexual gratification who wouldn't be happier living back with their families in the Shan State in peace and tranquility? Except that they can't!

Henry: if you really care about the Shan people, rather than making whinging posts about your latest trick having to pay his dues to the BIB make some posts supporting some of those who actually do give a damm and publicise the cause for what is really going on in the Shan state, and what these boys are running away from. Some examples:

http://www.shanland.org
http://www.maisoongkha.com
http://www.freeburmarangers.org
http://www.tai-nation.org
http://www.loisamseep.info
http://www.shan-orphans.org
http://www.taifreedom.com
http://www.tai4freedom.info
http://www.irrawaddy.org

:flower: The plight of the Shan People is something I care passionately about. Rant Over!

Define "Shan illegal."

And why do you put words in my mouth, e.g. Henry makes these boys out to be angels. I don't think I have ever seriously called anyone an angel -- I don't like them very much.

Since you were "nice" enough to post a list of Shan websites, most of which I know, I will give YOU a list of sites explaining why it is wrong to put words into the mouths of others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/strawman.html

You close by making your statement "The plight of the Shan People is something I care passionately about." As if to imply that I don't.

But, seriously now, what damned good does it do to CARE ABOUT something? In the US, you would put a bumper sticker on your car: "I LOVE THE SHAN!" and it would accomplish nothing and make you feel good. The real questions (to unawakened me) are:

• What can be done to ameliorate the plight of the Shan people in Northern Thailand?
  What can be done to solve the larger political problem of the Shan States vs. Burma?

My agenda for the first item involves publicizing cases of overt Thai racism against the Shan, and also teaching English (for free) to various Shan and hill-tribe people. What (ahem) do YOU do? You've gotten around to ranting over me, does that complete your list of required action items?

The second item will/would be very, very tricky. Recently, the American magazine The New Republic briefly called for regime change in Burma. I guess that, later on, someone said "Hey, we were all for regime change in Iraq, but when somebody actually went and did it, we dumped all over him."

My own thinking (not very advanced) would require the consent of the major powers around Burma -- at the very least, China, India, and Thailand. This appears HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I suppose you realize that there is an insurgency movement in the North of Thailand, but I'm not sure it would be wise to comment on it further. Moreover, I think it would be doomed unless two of the major powers signed up for it.

.... What can be done to ameliorate the plight of the Shan people in Northern Thailand?

My agenda ... involves publicizing cases of overt Thai racism against the Shan, and also teaching English (for free) to various Shan and hill-tribe people. What (ahem) do YOU do?

Hopefully anyone who seriously claims to be "doing" something can justify their boast with rather more than constantly posting about Shan getting fined for breaking the law and "teaching English" to Shan/hill-tribe bar-boys he has offed.

[globalwanderer]

Bites the dust.......

he was stopped by the Police....

was he breaking any Thai law at the time....


Bites the dust.... a little bit over the top.....

[catawampuscat]

Henry is intense about the Shan people and has a tendency to emote and dramatize the plight of these people.
Certainly, they are a minority with issues and problems and suffer from their minority status.
Henry has brought this issue to our collective attention and should be applauded for his devotion and strong
desire to bring about changes, if only in our attitudes and understanding of the issue..

As homintern will gleefully point out, hyperbole is easy to ridicule and the issue is really one for the Thai
people to work out and evolve and not one that will find much support on a forum such as this.
I am sure there are many different "hill people" worthy of support and understanding from the outside world
and all of us but about all Henry can do, is to educate us and try to inspire us but alas, most of us are not
in Chiang Mai and have little to do with the Shan and don't get overwhelmed when a Shan person is stopped by
the traffic police or when there is a death in a large extended family.

I hope Henry doesn't burn out and move on as it is refreshing to see someone with spunk and heart and a cause
burning in their soul.. Some of us could us a little enlightenment and get off our duffs but reality is most of us
are past the age of sit-ins, attending rallies for unjust treatment, and boycotting etc..
Still, a voice in the dark is always needed at times, to remind us of the broader issues in the country and widen
our collective horizons, if only a little bit.. :cat:

Henry is intense about the Shan people and has a tendency to emote and dramatize the plight of these people.

I've only seen him emote and dramatize about teenage Shan male prostitutes, who he seems to think should be exempt from Thai laws because they are cute and he's fucking them.