http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/aviat ... index.html
Downgraded. No new flights to/from the US, and can not expand operations to/from the US. Apparently, most countries follow suit with what the FAA says, so we'll see what happens in regards to European and Australian flights.
I guess they're not keeping up with international standards, so got downgraded as a result.
To provide a factual statement rather than Matt's usual emotive take on life ("shitted"), the FAA has downgraded TG to the same category as Air Asia Indonesia - you know, the flight that crashed a year ago through, apparently, poor pilot training, as Surfcrest has posted elsewhere. Draw your own conclusions about flying with Thai
No. The FAA didn't just downgrade one airline. They downgraded all of Thailand, according to the article. The FAA decided Thai airports aren't up to code.
Apparently, it got the General a little pissy too.
The FAA didn't shit on anyone. Thailand did it all on its own in a big way. If as expected the Europeans follow suit, the blame game will get humungous. It will affect not only TG which serves 12 European destinations, but also the code shares of airlines like Bangkok Air.
In the past Europe has introduced long term although temporary bans on Indonesian and Philippine carriers. Whilst a ban on TG is considered unlikely, it will be hampered through a ban on new flights and using different aircraft. New charter services for the high season would also be affected.
In typical Thai fashion, this action has been on the horizon for years. To be fair, the FAA has only followed the International Civil Aviation Organisation ruling. Last February Thailand failed an ICAO audit with a whopping 560 aviation safety faults and was given 90 days to correct them. Many remain uncorrected and non-Thais now have been brought in to solve many of them.
These failings include general air safety issues at Thai airports as well as air traffic control. The country's entire civil aviation operations are now under the microscope.
Yet the failings go back many years to the Yingluck government and perhaps beyond. Now the turkeys have come home to roost with the present government admitting it may take till August 2016 before it can meet all ICAO audit requirements.
You are correct it is all of Thailand's airlines, not just TG. Nevertheless let's face it most of us never bother with routes other than getting to Bangkok from Yurrup, Orstraya, or the good ol' US of A so it's TG or nothing as far as Thai airlines go. However thank you for reminding me indirectly that I have use Air Asia in the past for jaunts with Board members who now prefer to remain anonymous or deny it ever happened; January's not that far away ...Originally Posted by kommentariat
pity as I've always enjoyed flying with Thai, even in economy class.
Obviously I titled the subject inappropriately. It's not Thai Airways. It's Thailand's aviation infrastructure that's being deemed unsafe.
In other words, Thailand's airports suck, and don't adhere to international safety standards. Not too surprising, considering the construction fiasco after they first completed the new BKK airport.
Indeed you did - surely the past tense is SHAT
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this is not rocket science, I don't understand why so many people have such a problem understanding what the issue is
The FAA (and the ICOA) did not shit on any or all Thai registered airlines and did not declare that any airport in Thailand sucks and they certainly did not claim that Thailand's aviation infrastructure is unsafe - to quote from the CNN article
so the problem is not with the airlines, and not with the airports, but with the Thai government's regulatory authorities that control licensing and operation of airlines and airportsthe FAA said Thailand's civil aviation authority failed to meet "minimum international standards."
there are many airlines registered in Thailand and many airports operating in Thailand - some or all may meet international standards of operation but don't look to the FAA for a decision on that, you need to look at the individual airline or airport, the FAA (and ICOA) are only commenting on the regulatory authorities and once the regulatory authorities again meet international standards they may well be able to re-license or re-certify these airlines or airports with no changes to the individual airline's or airport's operation procedures, or maybe not but there is nothing in the FAA (or ICOA) reports to decide one way or the other
yes draw your own conclusions about flying with Thai but don't do it based on such fundamentally flawed and factually incorrect statements such as this
bkkguy
I can’t even be bothered to be apathetic these days!
Is TG an abbreviation for Thai Airways?
What I don't understand is... If they declared that "the Thai government's regulatory authorities that control licensing and operation of airlines and airports".... or Thai airports.... or any other Thailand airport related issue.... is what was "downgraded" for not meeting "minimum international standards"....
(1) Why would specific AIRLINES be penalized... or barred from routes to the US or EU or whereever...? What does this have to do with the safety of the AIRLINES...?
and
(2) What about all of the USA Airline companies flying in to these supposedly unsafe Thailand airports....? They are fine to land in unsafe Thai airports....? But supposedly safe Thai airlines are not safe enough to fly into the USA....?
I mean, American Airlines, United, Delta, and dozens of other airlines fly in to BKK too.... not only Thai Airways. If it's the AIRPORT that's supposedly "not safe enough"... why wouldn't this affect ALL airlines that fly to Bangkok....?
I don't see what this issue has to do with the safety of airlines that just happen to be Thai companies.... or are based in Thailand.
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