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    P.D.R.LAO updated

    Hi,

    I am in P.D.R. Lao, as it is called by the nationals who inform me there is no ' s ' in the name of their Country.

    Visa

    Visa on arrival is very easy and costs $35 USD. for one month single entry.It is quick, easy and efficient. Cash only and no facility to exchange money, so make sure you have it ready with two photos. I was apprehensive about all this till I saw how smooth it operates. We were the only jet aircraft on the runway, may be the only aircraft, with the exception of two Lao airline prop planes and an antiquated baggage handling service.

    Hotel.

    The Chanthapanya Hotel is OK, rooms are clean and basic and staff extremely cute and friendly but having now seen the rooms and location of others, I would definitely recommend the rooms at the Lao Orchid Hotel. The rooms alone warrant the great reveiew I think it deserves and if you can afford it, pay the extra and get a suite at $70. If you like a pool, stay at Chanthapanya on the second floor if possible. Going rate is $47 there, but don't rush down for breakfast!! mind you, it's cheap enough outside the hotel and available in good quality coffee shops. The best hotel and newest I have seen is the Salana, but don't know about bringing back to the hotel, and use Agoda to book and get the room at ┬г43 ++

    Bars

    The GQ bar is nearby to the Lao Orchid Hotel. There is a bit of coercing taking place by certain active members of GR based in Laos, who are running businesses here, and inviting you to meet up with them. It is all an attempt to control your places to visit and spending habits, so be warned, as if they get their way you will spend your time only in their bars or friends bars. GQ is popular, the owner Lay friendly but it needs money spending on toilets and sound system and an upgrade. He is aware of this, and I told him anyway. Quite a few locals get in there.

    CCC bar is a posher version of GQ, friendly staff but I noticed a lot of the boys visiting walk around with a bit of a nose in the air and a superior attemp at attitude. They are more the plucked eyebrow and shiny face brigade who have never done a days work in their life. I found it to be that way on my visit. The place is clean and tidy with a lip sync show. Crap show for me but some may like it. I have been looking at the drinks menu (and this is a nice bar), $1.25 a bottle of beer (78p) and nothing much above $2.00! Even in the hotel bars,drink prices are cheap and cheerful!

    Dom Cham Palace has a booming Hollywood style disco operating. It is a poor relation to the Thai Hollywood but draws a crowd and is certainly popular. Many freelancers trying their luck.

    Bor pen yang bar

    A rooftop nice beer palace on the front by the river overlooking Thailand with good staff, great music and mixed clientele. I love it.

    A few myths to dispel. Everything does not close at midnight, there is action and activity in Vientiane until 4.00am and some bars are open till about 2.00 am at the moment. I don't say this is legal but they are doing it and no one seems to mind. I have met up with an Englsh guy from Thailand and we have had a ball exploring bars.

    The best bar with an outside beer garden and back room karaoke and well out of the way an off the beaten track with fresh student guys and we were told, had not been visited by Foreigners before, was called Happy bar. They do not advertise at all and it is not frequented at all by westerners, I was told it was for Lao nationals as a rule, although we were made extremely welcome! A bottle of JW Red with mixers, loads of attention and good fun company was 1,000 baht.

    They did charge 500 baht per off, but I think they just plucked this figure out of the air as I cannot see Lao nationals paying it. I also cannot give an address so you'll have to find a local prepared to take you!! It is down a dirt track and within a compound, and for sure I would not find it in daylight. The off fee was offset by the cheap bar prices!!

    I would say it is best to change your money into local currency as the accept USD but give you a poor exchange rate. Tuk tuks are far more expensive than Thailand, and the attitude of some of them would be better placed with those rogues operating taxis in Phuket. There are also a lot of these guys trying to sell ganja.

    These Lao guys are not as hungry as the MB in Thailand and certainly more laid back. You can catch their poor attempts at conning a lot easier too. I have found a lot of them with acceptable and even good English spoken. There seems to be lots of student guys around but it is the capital after all.

    Bar prices are very acceptable everywhere you go as is good food. I will keep you updated as we go but won't be glued to my keyboard.

    It is a very different experience. Hotel receptionists are usually asleep and don't even notice trade being dragged back nor lift their heads from their slumber.

    It is also apparent and a refreshing change not to see any Police at all around the streets, no cops on motorbikes or in pick ups.


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    Re: P.D.R.LAO

    Great report Kevin. Thanks.
    Are there lots of moneyboys in GQ and CCC bars? Any info you can give about compensation (short time and long time)?
    I've been contacting boys on Gayromeo but would like to see them in person, so I would prefer going to a bar rather than use GR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a447
    Great report Kevin. Thanks.
    Are there lots of moneyboys in GQ and CCC bars? Any info you can give about compensation (short time and long time)?
    I've been contacting boys on Gayromeo but would like to see them in person, so I would prefer going to a bar rather than use GR.

    Hi,

    At weekends you get a good few in GQ and CCC .

    Why not arrange to meet up with some locals via GR,just say you would like to buy them a drink and get advice on where to go in their wonderful Country, they as we do,lke to be flattered, and then you can have a look at them and see if they live up to the photo on GR!!

    They are not as aggressive as Thais can be if they get a refusal, I think maybe, because you are also not in a go go bar environment and they don't want to be seen by their friends as active MBs.

    Even better, if you can, talk to them on skype first, then you've seen them in advance, but be wary of what I said in my previous post and don't join their merry go round here they start to control your movements and destinations. Whose holiday is it anyway, that's what I bloody say! Ha!

    You can pick up in your hotel if you're a cheeky bugger like me, honestly it's not difficult!

    Don't chase any trade, it will fall in your lap if you are pleasant and easygoing.

    Restaurant and accommodation.

    I haven't seen the rooms but the indoor and outdoor restaurants at 'Khop chai deu' are nice to visit with very cute staff. Big bottles of beer in the garden just over $3 and an extensive food menu. It's a good location too near my hotel and the Lao culural museum.

    This place is good and inexpensive for everything I can think of anyway, and if you look around you can get great value for money whatever your budget. My friend Steve from UK, says he normally budgets in Thailand for 10,000 baht a day for going out and trade and is struggling here to spend 3,000 baht all in!

    It's easy to get along with the locals and very laid back. No rushing around here.

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    Re: P.D.R.LAO

    Thanks Kevin. Great report on the hotels and the boys. However, if you get a chance, can you tell us about dining experiences and/or things we might want to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khor tose
    Thanks Kevin. Great report on the hotels and the boys. However, if you get a chance, can you tell us about dining experiences and/or things we might want to see?

    Hi Khor Tose,

    It will be a pleasure and I will be doing that over next couple of days. I have just met up with Tam, my LTR, and we are taking it chilled and easy for now.

    Try the outdoor garden at Khop chai deu or even the indoor we ate Lao food and they do fried crickets, BBQ pork on skewers, Larb moo and som tam,amongst other favourites and also a very extensive western menu. Pleasant,cheap and cheerful in a garden setting

    We are going to an Italian restaurant tomorrow evening and I'll let you know about it.

    Good looking staff at KHOP CHAI DEU too! hehehehe!

    God, it's fabulous to be back here!

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    Hi Kevin.
    Any information about how much the boys want in the way of...er...compensation?
    Are CCC and GQ good places to find guys during the week, not just at the wekends?
    Glad to read yiou are enjoying Laos. I just hope I do too!
    Thanks.

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    Sweet report, Kquill... Thanks!

    Salana Hotel does look pretty sweet. Thanks for the tip.

    I assume the bars you mention are busiest on weekends. But are they still pretty busy on weeknights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachlover
    Sweet report, Kquill... Thanks!

    Salana Hotel does look pretty sweet. Thanks for the tip.

    I assume the bars you mention are busiest on weekends. But are they still pretty busy on weeknights?

    Hi,

    I think they are struggling weeknights and the only ones making money are the mixed disco's. We are finding it that way anyway. I wouldn't fancy your chances much dealing only with gays and the pink dollar/pound.

    a447,

    The guys expect similar to Thailand it that department. Those who are prepared to go and you can see that on your gaydar.

    There are many non MBs!!! The Lao guys are quite stunning, I have seen them in Thailand but not all in one place at one time. As I said, maybe spoilt for choice as this is the capital.

    You will find guys midweek in both GQ and CCC. Yes. so we are finding at this time and we are having a laugh with them too! It is Lazy laid back Lao.

    Had a PM from a friend in KL, I will let him tell you how he is getting on, but I bet he will swap places in a breath.

    Many want LTR in Lao, or they are not interested

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    Ah bugger, thanks. I'm always planning my trips around hitting certain places on weekends because that's when the nightlife is going. Go to KL or Singapore on a weeknight and there's no gay nightclubs going! Weekends only...

    Although, don't mind mixed discos as long as the gay corner is obvious enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by kquill
    Many want LTR in Lao, or they are not interested
    Damn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachlover
    Ah bugger, thanks. I'm always planning my trips around hitting certain places on weekends because that's when the nightlife is going. Go to KL or Singapore on a weeknight and there's no gay nightclubs going! Weekends only...

    Although, don't mind mixed discos as long as the gay corner is obvious enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by kquill
    Many want LTR in Lao, or they are not interested
    Damn...

    Hi,

    In my own opinion only, shared by others as well on my visits around, the Lao guys win the looks contest hands down over the Thai and Cambodian. Tam, my other half said ' They are even better looking than the South Koreans ' I don't know what he meant by that, but he obviously finds them attractive!

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