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Wed 4 Jan, 2012 7:48 am

Hey guys. Been reading this forum a lot lately but my first post. I will be visiting Thailand (my second time - Bangkok and Phuket) and Cambodia (Siem Reap specifically, for the first time) this month. I'm sure this question has been asked repeatedly but I can't seem to find a recent and thorough answer. I'd like to know some basic tipping guidelines for the boys (mostly in Bangkok). Some specific questions:
- Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?
- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?
- What should I expect to pay at Tawan? I know it is a bit above the other bars.

Also wondering if anyone has any tips for Siem Reap. Both in terms of non-commercial boys (are there any gay dance clubs) and recommendations for massage places.

Thanks!
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Re: tipping guidance
Wed 4 Jan, 2012 8:55 am

Hi Terry, No need to apologize for asking a question. You will find that tips vary from Person to person. As I am not rich, I try to tip with a level head where I don't want to be the lowest or the highest tipper. Most massage places have posted minimal tips for the guys. When I went to Arena massage I was informed that the printed minimal tip would double if special services were given. So it would depend on where you go. If you go to Senso massage in Bangkok, they are higher in cost but I felt they were worth it.

The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.

You didn't ask about Pattaya but I can tell you that the guys in Pattaya would be happy with 500 baht for spending a short amount of time with you... Not all, but most....

I don't know anything about the massage guys in Pattaya.
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Re: tipping guidance
Wed 4 Jan, 2012 10:04 am

T_e_r_r_y wrote:Hey guys. Been reading this forum a lot lately but my first post. I will be visiting Thailand (my second time - Bangkok and Phuket) and Cambodia (Siem Reap specifically, for the first time) this month. I'm sure this question has been asked repeatedly but I can't seem to find a recent and thorough answer. I'd like to know some basic tipping guidelines for the boys (mostly in Bangkok). Some specific questions:
- Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?
- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?
- What should I expect to pay at Tawan? I know it is a bit above the other bars.

Also wondering if anyone has any tips for Siem Reap. Both in terms of non-commercial boys (are there any gay dance clubs) and recommendations for massage places.

Thanks!


In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.
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Re: tipping guidance
Wed 4 Jan, 2012 10:40 am

brisboy wrote:In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.


That is quite an accomplishment since showers are needed between each session ( I would think ) :8(
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Wed 4 Jan, 2012 11:44 am

Brisboy82 wrote:That is quite an accomplishment since showers are needed between each session ( I would think ) :8(


No need for shower just change condom. I didnt go into the actual hot sauna part. I walked in and someone followed me to a cubicle. After he left someone else showed up etc. No need to shower unless you get cum in your hair. First guy I swallowed and second guy cum on himself.
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Re: tipping guidance
Fri 6 Jan, 2012 7:32 pm

BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...
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Re: tipping guidance
Fri 6 Jan, 2012 9:45 pm

latintopxxx wrote:BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...


Indeed. It's a bit excessive. Good on the boys of they can milk thT much out of the farangs though. More fool the farang.
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Re: tipping guidance
Fri 6 Jan, 2012 11:06 pm

T_e_r_r_y wrote:Are there differences in tipping at the massage places vs guys I pick up at the go-go bars?- Are the boys more or less expensive in Phuket than in Bangkok?
Regarding massage place tips, for a full sex session in a massage place, it would be 'normal' to tip about Bt1000, same as if you take off the boy from agogo on a short time basis, for long time nearer Bt1500 would be the 'norm' in Pattaya and Phuket in my experience. For Bkk my norm would be bt1000 for massage tip, and i have only ever paid bt1000 short time and bt1500 longtime there over the years, however i do know some boys in Bkk expect bt1500 for short time and Bt2000 for long time and so i suppose that would probably be the 'norm' for Bkk. Sorry but can't comment on Tawan, a place i have never been to or would ever consider going to, as i am not into old/old-looking bulky guys with un-naturally 'formed' bodies. I find body-builders repulsive and would never go with a guy who was straight and therefore guaranteed not to have good sexual chemistry with you, my preference/opinion only of course.
bucknaway wrote:The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.
This must be the first time i have ever heard of the customer 'negotiating' UP from the boys original request. Where does this 'negotiation' kick-in if the request for Bt500 is increased to Bt1700?
Brisboy82 wrote:Indeed. It's a bit excessive. Good on the boys of they can milk thT much out of the farangs though. More fool the farang
latintopxxx wrote:BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...
Latinpoxxx, while you seem to be satisfied to fuck anything with a pulse for as little as you 'can get away with' as possible, some are happy to pay a fair, or in this case, more than fair price for time with someone they particularly like, the word for that would be 'generous' not 'foolish' Brisboy82. That said, it does raise the puzzling question of why bucknaway, known by his own admission to be very 'careful' with cash is happy to pay Bt1700 for short time in Phuket when a request for bt500 has been made. Given the amount of time afforded by him in his posts over the years on the subject of his belief (some might call 'delusion') in his 'apparent' attractiveness to all, one would have to wonder why he would need/want to be paying at all with all those 'free sex' offers he enjoys telling us all about at any given opportunity.

This is more an observation based on bucknaway's own writings about himself over the years, than an intentional 'flaming incident' as I wouldn't want to upset the sensibilities of the person responsible for the lastet round of 'moderation' regarding numerous 'deletions' (not those regarding underage comments)on other threads.
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 3:09 am

bucknaway wrote:Hi Terry, No need to apologize for asking a question. You will find that tips vary from Person to person. As I am not rich, I try to tip with a level head where I don't want to be the lowest or the highest tipper. Most massage places have posted minimal tips for the guys. When I went to Arena massage I was informed that the printed minimal tip would double if special services were given. So it would depend on where you go. If you go to Senso massage in Bangkok, they are higher in cost but I felt they were worth it.

The last time I offed a guy from one of the bars in BKK, I tipped 1700 baht for 2 hours of their time. I have never offed a guy from Tawan because I heard they demanded higher tips. When I was in Phuket a few years ago, I negotiated with the guys but I never tipped less than 1700 baht even if they only asked for 500 baht.

You didn't ask about Pattaya but I can tell you that the guys in Pattaya would be happy with 500 baht for spending a short amount of time with you... Not all, but most....

I don't know anything about the massage guys in Pattaya.



Sorry but i just want to ask you this ??? --when you say" not all ,but most" would be as u say "happy" with 500b !!-- what the fuck are you basing that on ??-is this what you pay ??

You are here what a few weeks/days in the year ?? so u have got that opinion from where ?? being with loads and loads of guys ??

and when you were here last OCT (around then ) when i saw you (twice ) I didnt exactly see loads of guys in your company looking for your loving -
Free or not !!!!!
In fact both times i saw you you were in FACT alone !!!

Newallen asks a good question in his post here --given the many writings over the years by Buck

what a crock of shit!!!! re the 500 b
Do you really think these thai boys are happy to take 500 b and do some of the things that farangs ask them to do
i know 2 guys that work in the bars,and that stay in my place ( as friends/to help them out/nothing else!! ) for the past year or so and i can tell you that they are not happy with some of the small money like that that some farang offer them

I have seen some of their ans on GR etc to such requests --/sat eating food with lots of their friends in the same bars and hear how they talk about such farang --its a very hot topic among the bar boys -- they will endure overweight/certain requests, somebody fucking them a longtime /pain etc (many types of tablets to cure a sore asshole ,to enable them to go to work again that day if neccessary )--but" kineaow " (meanness ) is considered one of the worst traits to find in a farang customer !!!--they KNOW any farang that has spent the type of money to get to Thailand has enough to give them that extra 500/1000 etc !!!!!!!!!!!!

No way are they happy to only take 500 !!!


And shame on any farang that does -less than the price of a fast food meal in most farang home country !!!!!!!!!!
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 3:13 am

Brisboy82 wrote:In pattaya most guys will even go long time for 500 baht and a lot of the beer bar boys will stay overnight for free. Either way the boys are generally thrilled if you give them 1000 baht for long time.

Bangkok is the most expensive place for moneyboys. The most I have paid was 1500 for a short time from a go go bar in twilight. Over in soi 6 I've had short
Time for 1000 and long time for 1300.

However back in twilight the boys in the beer bars go short time for 500.

Phuket is more expensive than pattaya but cheaper than Bangkok. Generally 1000 from go go bars and 500 from beer bars seems to be standard.

In siem reap the moneyboys go from 15 to 25 dollars but some sleep with you for free if they like you. The main gay bar linga bar is full of moneyboys.

Lots of gay boys hang out in heart rock disco.

While in siem reap check out the men's resort Sauna. These locals are not moneyboys. I tried the sauna just once and fucked 3 Cambodians in ten minutes and one gave me his number for later.


Jesus wept --another tight arsed farang !!!
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 3:19 am

latintopxxx wrote:BHT1700 for long time.....a fool and his money are soon parted...


And yet another !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can i ask Brisbane and Latin this ??

---- do ye actually get a sort of thrill in getting the price down with the guys for their sexual servicies in the same way as you would get in haggling the price of a watch/tshirt etc from a market trader in Patpong or similar market stall !!

Good feeling eh ????
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 4:16 am

Martin911...the answer is yes YES and most definitely yes...read some of my old posts....half my pleasure is in the chase...in this case lowest price for max service...it's simply sex...not love..
I have fairly extensive experience where Thai blue collar wages are concerned and BHT500 for a 2 to 3 hour session is plenty...now if you have inherited a small fortune and feel that you need to distribute your wealth please go ahead....
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Sat 7 Jan, 2012 4:53 am

latintopxxx wrote:Martin911...the answer is yes YES and most definitely yes...read some of my old posts....half my pleasure is in the chase...in this case lowest price for max service...it's simply sex...not love..
I have fairly extensive experience where Thai blue collar wages are concerned and BHT500 for a 2 to 3 hour session is plenty...now if you have inherited a small fortune and feel that you need to distribute your wealth please go ahead....



I expected the part of the ans that you Would in fact enjoy beating the price down .!!! pure trash

What i did not expect you to say the part re inheriting small fortune and distribute the wealth bit !!!--

Are you not the guy that claims he is als flying here and there on business ????

Now to my mind somebody that does this type of " work traveling " either on behalf of himself (owns the business ) ,or as a job ( which involves a lot of responsibility and the high salary which such a position would pay ) that in either case that this person would not be the kind of person who needs to or likes to haggle down from 1000b for sex ( with somebody that is a lot poorer )-- and that this is a way of losing your small fortune bla bla bla --

That for the smallest fraction of your airfares/salary etc u begrudge the extra 500/1000 to somebody who for whatever reason sells their bodies for other peoples enjoynment ??

It sounds like a response from somebody that is of lower blue shirt working class !! not the well traveled person you claim to be !
I could not care less for what you claim to be/do - and im sure it works back same from you to me or any other board members -- but your statement jars from what you have claimed in the past (in my mind )

You sound like the type of person who is living his life out of some saggy recliner,in a trailer park in downtown nowhere ,(who just happens to have access to the internet(prob comes as part of the monthly porn package you have signed up for (but is prob 3 months in arrears on )-- and begrudges
others who actually do get to meet thai guys --





I am also somebody who gets almost as much out of the chase as what happens after --- but i never ever enters my head to bargain somebody down from 1000/1500 --i simply do not need that extra cash in my pocket going home after a hook up - (and i did not inheirt any fortune ,but worked for what i have ) -- --
You say u bargain because u like the chase --- :occasion9: rubbish ,

its not any type of a chase if one person is paying for the service !!
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 6:19 am

In fairness to Bucknaway, I do not think he ever claimed that he only paid 500 baht on any occasion. In fact he seems to be claiming that he mostly paid what he thought in excess of the going rate, and indicated that 1700 baht was his minimum.
All he claimed was that some guys in Pattayya would be happy to get 500 baht. I think he meant it more in the sense that "they would agree to go with you for a while" for 500 baht, rather than that they would be delighted with the money. I do not think Bucknaway meant to suggest that paying 500 was an admirable thing to do.

Just because you bargain with a guy does not mean that you are a complete grinch. I bargained a Tawan guy down from 3000 for short time to 2000 once. But mostly when I have been with guys in Pattaya the amount was never fixed beforehand, so I usually just gave what I thought was a bit over the odds.

Giving advice on Forums can be contentious. If somebody asks a question on pricing in Sunee Plaza, say, and you know that many barboys will agree to go for you for short time for 500 baht, should you give that advice ("the minimum they will go with you for is 500 baht short time") or should you give a more "politically correct" answer and say the minimum is 1000 baht? (the more decent option for sure).

If you push the pricing up too much with your advice you will inevitably attract the attention of a tight-wad (usually a retired expat), who will come storming on the thread to "correct" your advice on extravagant paying.

That is quite apart from Latinopxxx, who is quite forthright about how stiffing the guys on their payment is part of the thrill for him, the sad sack....the likes of him are best ignored.

If you are friend with the boys like you are, Martin, you will naturally tend to see paying somewhat over going rate as the more decent option...but if you are a hard-pressed tourist perhaps you just want to pay a "fair" rate, leaving the philanthropy side of it to the wealthier tourists.

I know the usual answer too budget tourists is , if you don't have enough money, do not come. But if only the wealthier tourist come, there is less of an industry for everybody - I am sure that the less busy guys in Sunee would prefer to have two budget tourist customers in a week who each who pay 800 baht short time than one generous guy who pays 1500.


What I think is fairest is to provide a range, from the minimum reasonable amount to what would be seen as generous and let the new tourist choose for himself how generous he wants to be.

My take on it would be:

In Bangkok 1000-1200 would be the minimum acceptable tip for short time. Getting 2000 for short time would be reasonably common, I think. In Tawan they would expect 2000 as the minimum.
Add 700 baht to those minimum amounts to get minimum for an overnight. Getting above 2000 for short time and above 3000 for overnight would be seen as generous.

For a massage, in Bangkok 1000 baht would be the mimimum acceptable tip for a "special massage", (often the massage parlour menu will state this).
Above 1800 would be seen as generous.

In Pattaya, 800 to 1000 baht would be seen as the minimum tip for short time. (perhaps in Boyztown more towards the 1000). If anybody volunteers that he would go with you for 500 it is because he is desperate. Do you really want to be taking advantage of this?

1500 to 1700 would be the minimum for overnight.

In massage, I would feel less able to say what is expected. However, roughly speaking, for a one-hour special massage in Pattaya the minimum tip (not including the massage fee paid to the house) would be around the 800 baht mark.

I would stress to the OP, that if you are well-off financially, that you should definitely see the above prices as a MINIMUM. Remember that most of these guys come from extremely poor Isaan backgrounds, and are providing a good service for very little in Western terms. There is good karma to be gained by being generous if you can afford it!
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Re: tipping guidance
Sat 7 Jan, 2012 6:53 am

RonanTheBarbarian wrote: For a massage, in Bangkok 1000 baht would be the mimimum acceptable tip for a "special massage", (often the massage parlour menu will state this). Above 1800 would be seen as generous.


It must depend on how special the massage is? In Bangkok they often ask for 500 to add a hand job to standard massage, so to pay more would be very generous.
Presumably the 1000 figure applies where everything is on offer?
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